Go Ahead and Ask

[Don Smith]

A little story in the Atlanta paper:

Flight attendants face increasingly angry public
Cutbacks, delays and higher prices have led to surly passengers on many flights, and that means more stress for flight attendants. Attendants say any remaining vestige of glamor is gone from their job, as they deal with passengers angered by new policies both on the ground and in the air. One aviation analyst predicts the issue will come up during contract negotiations, when flight attendants may ask for more money to compensate for the added stress. The Atlanta Journal-Constitution/Newhouse News Service (free registration) (8/24)


Good luck with that ladies. You've got to convince Dougie and your soon to be new boss, Dick Anderson, that you deserve hazard pay. You have to use the 800 number to report stress!

 

[jenny@nw]

Does anyone care? No. This last flight we had an elderly "Lawyer" run around flashing his penis. Oh let me tell you it was fun listening to him get mad and say he wanted our names and how he's going to get everyone fired. He didn't like us telling him to zip it.

Then there's the yahoo who bought priceline tix who got mad about having his bag checked for $15. Didn't save ya money, did it? So what does he do? Punch a flight attendant. (lucky it wasn't me)
For reasons unbeknownst to me, she didn't feel it was something to "report" (i think she's a company butt licker) because people blow it out of proportion. HUH?

Then there's the outsource factor. Where, oh where do these Delta people think that they are going to do "our" asia flying? Some idiot proclaimed how "I can't wait to fly to ASIA!" and one of the senior mommas on the bus put it in his place telling him how it's all going to go to ASIA cheap outsourced $100/mo wokers (like it was planned 4 yrs ago)

He had that "duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuh" look. Yes those are the people who don't want the union...wha? Daddy DELTA wouldn't do that?

Ladies and Gentlemen, Daddy Delta died a few years ago leaving everything to the evil stepmother Dougolina and Dickolina. There's no prince charming on a white airplane coming to rescue you. Does anyone get it? Does anyone care to research where these people came from? They're going to wish they had that old CEO back.

 

[cooper43]

Where is the link to this article? also you guys are the ones who outsource a large percentage of your asia flying (i know it is within asia not from the us ) delta has no outsourcing of any of our f/a positions. Maybe your old bosses who now work here have been converted to the delta way. Maybe they see the benefits of working with their employees instead of against them. Have an open mind and you may like the delta culture. I have an open mind and if we go union im ok with that and if we were to rename the airline NORTH WEST I would be ok with that. Try just going with the flow and not always seeing the glass half empty.

 

[Kev3188]

Maybe your old bosses who now work here have been converted to the delta way. Maybe they see the benefits of working with their employees instead of against them.

A leopard never changes it's spots.

Never forget that Anderson cut his teeth at the feet of Lorenzo. It should also be noted that Ben Hirst was the one that brought him to CO.

Since you're inflight, maybe some of the other NWA'ers will chime in on how they feel about Julie Hagen-Showers.

 

[UAL_TECH]

Where is the link to this article? also you guys are the ones who outsource a large percentage of your asia flying (i know it is within asia not from the us ) delta has no outsourcing of any of our f/a positions. Maybe your old bosses who now work here have been converted to the delta way. Maybe they see the benefits of working with their employees instead of against them. Have an open mind and you may like the delta culture. I have an open mind and if we go union im ok with that and if we were to rename the airline NORTH WEST I would be ok with that. Try just going with the flow and not always seeing the glass half empty.

you deltiods are amazing sheeple... 😛
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[cooper43]

you deltiods are amazing sheeple... 😛
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Now see you are judging me before you know me. I support unionization. but I also support the idea of having a good relationship with management. I do not beleive they have to be mutually exclusive. And while it maybe be said that people never change, sometimes they do. The type of environment you are in has a huge influence on your behavior. But that is just my opinion. Personally I will take a wait and see kind of attitude. I will try to have some faith in management until they prove me wrong. We are not coolaid drinkers here at delta like so many like to frame us as being. Historically our leaders have listened to our voices on things that upset us. We work together because it is to both of our benefits to do so. Even though this process has worked at delta for many years I do support unionizing because I do think things should be in writing. That way there is no ambiguity as to what each expects from the other.

 

[1Conehead]

Now see you are judging me before you know me. We are not coolaid drinkers here at delta like so many like to frame us as being. Historically our leaders have listened to our voices on things that upset us. We work together because it is to both of our benefits to do so. Even though this process has worked at delta for many years .

To a lot of people since we are mostly non-union we don't know what we're doing.
We aren't supposed to think for ourself.

 

[UAL_TECH]

Now see you are judging me before you know me. I support unionization. but I also support the idea of having a good relationship with management. I do not beleive they have to be mutually exclusive. And while it maybe be said that people never change, sometimes they do. The type of environment you are in has a huge influence on your behavior. But that is just my opinion. Personally I will take a wait and see kind of attitude. I will try to have some faith in management until they prove me wrong. We are not coolaid drinkers here at delta like so many like to frame us as being. Historically our leaders have listened to our voices on things that upset us. We work together because it is to both of our benefits to do so. Even though this process has worked at delta for many years I do support unionizing because I do think things should be in writing. That way there is no ambiguity as to what each expects from the other.

Hey Cooper,

Well, it just goes to show you that you are judging me. Pot meet Kettle.. 😛
What makes me think Deltaiods are sheeple is by the inanely repeated reply of :

‘it will be OK’

“Try just going with the flow and not always seeing the glass half empty.â€￾

Again the merger will happen despite what good or bad people think of it. Not to sound like a jerk, but your just going to have to get over it. Being bitter about it is only going to affect your mental well being, no one elses.

Here is a keeper:

Or is it your just being bitter and obtuse as your airline is being absorbed and things are going to be different? Change is guaranteed for you, either go with it or let it consume you. Life is to short to be bitter. Please dont take it personal, I think its going to be ok for all of us.

I hear you. It is great to be proud of what you do and the company you work for.

What I cannot understand is the relentless fear of Delta Employees to ‘FACE’ the issues instead of using nonsensical sound bites as noted above.

B) xUT

 

[UAL_TECH]

To a lot of people since we are mostly non-union we don't know what we're doing.
We aren't supposed to think for ourself.

If the 'Deltaiods' think for themselves, I certainly have missed it.

 

[jenny@nw]

To a lot of people since we are mostly non-union we don't know what we're doing.
We aren't supposed to think for ourself.

I worked non union place before. See it all depends on what is going on with the enviroment. If one doesn't adapt, you are not going to make it.
Things are really going to change shortly. When you look at the "real" bigger picture no one really cares about you. You are just an employee number.

I left the place where I really had it good- and it was non-union. I saw the writing on the wall when they sold the company to a bigger company that promised bigger and better things. Now they had paycuts, benefits cuts, require you to work crazy hours and most of my friends there quit. The only ones that hung around were those who were about to retire...then they found out their retirement bennies changed.

Just like now, I see the writing on the wall. There's so many out there who just blame the union for not helping out airlines such as "Aloha" but AFA did create a fund to help them out. Aloha didn't go under because of the union, it was money, management, finding buyers, investors, etc.

There were times some of us actually "helped"(yes I know) out the company and were paid handsomely for it, under our contract. I remember getting triple time for being on duty for 30 hrs. Does your company pay you for working over 16 hrs straight? Or they give you an "atta boy" and a swat on the back?

 

[jenny@nw]

Now see you are judging me before you know me. I support unionization. but I also support the idea of having a good relationship with management. I do not beleive they have to be mutually exclusive. And while it maybe be said that people never change, sometimes they do. The type of environment you are in has a huge influence on your behavior. But that is just my opinion. Personally I will take a wait and see kind of attitude. I will try to have some faith in management until they prove me wrong. We are not coolaid drinkers here at delta like so many like to frame us as being. Historically our leaders have listened to our voices on things that upset us. We work together because it is to both of our benefits to do so. Even though this process has worked at delta for many years I do support unionizing because I do think things should be in writing. That way there is no ambiguity as to what each expects from the other.

Ok I am going to throw out my "smart ass" hat and I will be pretty frank. I am a union person who also is friends with managers. We have a good working relationship, although I have heard some bad mouthing. I do say hi and do sit and chat with them. I even brought booze in from Japan for one (GASP!). However, a manager is a manager. They have a job to do and so do you.

We here are not all combative. There are many who are very postive about the pending merger. We do want some kind of a change. Some are excited about it. There's many of us who went through mergers already and pretty much been through lots of challanges that entail with it.

I think for our side most of us are having a problem with seeing managers/ former NW employees and former Delta employees shuffle back and forth. Most of us knew something was going on. They have been trying to sell us for a while. Most of us have probably been used and abused one way or another. I think my breaking point was when I was out for 8 days straight and they were trying to force 8 hr rest on me with threats from scheduling. I complained and had my crew orders reviewed, tapes reviewed and compensated with more money.

With former NW management within DL we know what will happen. You can say that maybe the enviroment will change them but we think they are going to change the enviroment. I don't know if I can do 30 hr duty day without feeling getting paid triple time after 16 hrs. I'd be ready to blow the slide and jump out.

I am thinking those days of listening and appeasing us are going to be gone (JMHO) there will be too many of us. Management will be nice to us until the union vote fails because if the union vote suceeds, they will still have a job! There is no need for that many managers if the union is in place because unions function as a neutral middle person (well suppose to) and that is why some companies have good relationships with their unions.

 

[1Conehead]

If the 'Deltaiods' think for themselves, I certainly have missed it.

You should have been there.
We're smarter than what we are given credit for.

 

[dapoes]

A little story in the Atlanta paper:

Flight attendants face increasingly angry public
Cutbacks, delays and higher prices have led to surly passengers on many flights, and that means more stress for flight attendants. Attendants say any remaining vestige of glamor is gone from their job, as they deal with passengers angered by new policies both on the ground and in the air. One aviation analyst predicts the issue will come up during contract negotiations, when flight attendants may ask for more money to compensate for the added stress. The Atlanta Journal-Constitution/Newhouse News Service (free registration) (8/24)


Good luck with that ladies. You've got to convince Dougie and your soon to be new boss, Dick Anderson, that you deserve hazard pay. You have to use the 800 number to report stress!

Nice try Don, you do know that this story had NO REFRENCE WHATSOEVER TO DAL!
It was an article written by By Susan Todd Newhouse News Service (in NJ) run in the AJC.
And in fact it references Continental Airlines and JET BLUE twice!
Link to original article here: http://www.ajc.com/search/content/business...attendants.html



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[LukeAisleWalker]

Nice try Don, you do know that this story had NO REFRENCE WHATSOEVER TO DAL!
It was an article written by By Susan Todd Newhouse News Service (in NJ) run in the AJC.
And in fact it references Continental Airlines and JET BLUE twice!
Link to original article here: http://www.ajc.com/search/content/business...attendants.html



Moderator note: Please do not copy an article in full, a it can potentially violate copyright and/or fair use laws. An excerpt or link is fine.

Dapoes, are you saying that all of the stressors listed in the article affect only CO and Jetblue f/a's because only their representatives were interviewed for the article?? Does that mean that DL doesn't have surly pax or that DL f/a's don't endure the same stress on the job? The article was about the profession in general and everything mentioned is true.
The ONLY distinctions I read were: 1) Delta doesn't charge for blankets. 2) Boyd's comment at the end regarding negotiating higher pay rates due to stress wouldn't affect DL f/a's because there is no contract to negotiate.

 

[dapoes]

Dapoes, are you saying that all of the stressors listed in the article affect only CO and Jetblue f/a's because only their representatives were interviewed for the article?? Does that mean that DL doesn't have surly pax or that DL f/a's don't endure the same stress on the job? The article was about the profession in general and everything mentioned is true.
The ONLY distinctions I read were: 1) Delta doesn't charge for blankets. 2) Boyd's comment at the end regarding negotiating higher pay rates due to stress wouldn't affect DL f/a's because there is no contract to negotiate.

The poster made the inference to everyone that the article (since it was in the AJC) was referring to DAL only. The article was for the industry in general.