GOP / Capitalism's 2 Class System....Read it and WEEP !
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delldude
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Dude, big time offender is people leaving gov't and doing their own start up business tailor made to the MOS they were into.
I don't want big government.
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One of your's ??
Anders Breivik (the Norway killer) was a Christian Fundamentalist, an admirer of the Tea Potty, in short, a RIGHT WING NUT / Whack Job.
PS,
Ever hear of Newtowne Connecticut,...Y - F - Moron ??????
(I doubt if you could find it on a map of the good old USA, ...........or SPELL it !)
delldude
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Lets play name dropper.......
Michael Nicholaou, Delbert Tallman, Gary Westover
Lanza was a democrat....
eolesen
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Of course Norway is affluent. They're sitting on top of massive natural gas and oil reserves, and are one of the top 10 oil producing countries...
I'll gladly donate miles for a one way trip for both Bears and Tree. They both seem so unhappy with our society.
You want to see a two class system and capitalism at work? Go to China.
What constitutes poverty level in the US is considered middle class over there....
I'll gladly donate miles for a one way trip for both Bears and Tree. They both seem so unhappy with our society.
You want to see a two class system and capitalism at work? Go to China.
What constitutes poverty level in the US is considered middle class over there....
Dog Wonder
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Given the incessant moaning from the Just Ain't Right, Bears and Tree sound happy to be here.
delldude
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If there's constant moaning, it sure as hell seems to be coming from the doghouse.
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Those were not jobs that used to be Government jobs.
Today in America there are nearly twice as many people working for the government (22.5 million) than in all of manufacturing (11.5 million). This is an almost exact reversal of the situation in 1960, when there were 15 million workers in manufacturing and 8.7 million collecting a paycheck from the government. In California, 2.4 million government employees is twice the number of employees working as manufacturers, New Jersey has about 2.5 as many government employees as manufacturers.
Florida’s ratio is more than 3 to 1. Michigan, at one time the auto capital of the world, and Pennsylvania, once the steel capital, have more government bureaucrats than people making things. Wyoming and New Mexico, have hired more than six government workers for every manufacturing worker.
Iowa and Nebraska are farm states, but in those states, there are at least five times more government workers than farmers. West Virginia is the mining capital of the world, yet it has at least three times more government workers than miners. New York is the financial capital of the world and employs roughly 670,000 New Yorkers, that's less than half of the state's 1.48 million government employees.
More Americans work for the government than work in construction, farming, fishing, forestry, manufacturing, mining and utilities combined. Nearly half of the $2.2 trillion cost of state and local governments is the $1 trillion-a-year tab for pay and benefits of state and local employees. It's no wonder cities and sates are going bankrupt, we have grown into a country of takers, not makers!
Privatizing Government jobs IS the brainchild of the right but you don’t see that happening do you?
Do I want the Government to stop going with the low bidder? No!
What is my answer to changing this? Take a wild guess.
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Benghazi, Detroit, unions, Obama, phone sex, prisons, school lunch, government employees, AIDs testing, immigrants, Muslims, Muslim immigrants. And that is only half the first page.
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I agree that manufacturing jobs have decreased. Many, of not most of those will be gone until the Chinese/Indian, etc., workers realize that they can get more pay for their labor.
Whenever the cost of making the goods in those countries equals the USA, the jobs will come back.
I see that you went back to 1960 and chose only manufacturing. And your point is valid and alarming at the same time.
However, If you look at government employment as a percentage of population, you will see a different picture.
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"Total government (i.e., the sum of state, local, and federal) employment has decreased by over 580,000 jobs since the end of the recession, the largest decrease in any sector since the recovery began in July 2009. State and local governments, faced with tough choices imposed by the confluence of balanced-budget requirements, falling tax revenues, and greater demand for public services, have been forced to lay off teachers, police officers, and other workers.
In order to look at specific occupations, it is necessary to turn to the Current Population Survey; the below table uses the data to assess the occupations where some of the key reductions in the public-sector workforce occurred. In raw numbers, the largest cuts were to teachers, but of these occupations, the largest percentage decline was among emergency responders."
"The Long-Run Impact of the Reduction in Public Employment
Of course, it is always critical for governments to assess whether taxpayers’ money is being well-spent. It also goes without saying that many public sector employees provide health care, maintain state and local infrastructure, provide protective services, and help educate the next generation of workers.
One area where there is a sound body of literature to draw upon is the returns to education – specifically, the impact of class-size on student achievement and lifetime earnings. Drawing on this evidence, we quantify the impact of reductions in the number of public school teachers on our country’s future.
In 2011 there were over 220,000 fewer teachers in America’s classrooms than in 2009, a reduction accounting for nearly forty percent of the decrease in public-sector jobs during this period. This decline in the number of teachers increased the student-teacher ratio by 5.9 percent.
To determine the consequences of these reductions, we assumed that class-size increases were applied equally across all grades in K-12 schools. We then drew from recent research that links future earnings with class size to assess the wage impacts for today’s children, when they become working-age adults.1 All of this is explained in more detail here, but the bottom line is that this research suggests that the Great Recession will live on for decades through the lower future wages for our children.
Of course, an important test for the efficiency of government spending is whether the benefits exceed the costs. The savings from these cuts, in terms of teacher salaries and benefits, are $11.8 billion per year nationwide. While a significant figure, it is substantially smaller than the estimated present value in foregone earnings of $49.3 billion dollars for the children, whose education is affected by larger class sizes. To put a fine point on these findings, this translates into a per-student, per-year loss of nearly $1,000 in future earnings. In summary, the foregone benefits are more than four times larger than the current budget savings!
..."The Short-Run Consequences of Government Layoffs
In the short term, reducing government employment, particularly during recessions, adds workers directly to the unemployment rolls. In addition, fewer workers translates into fewer paychecks, which dampens consumption and further spreads through the economy, magnifying the effects of the recession.
To examine the direct consequences of lower government employment, consider the case in which employment had hewed to its historical level. Between 2001 and 2007, the average ratio of government employment to population was 9.7 percent. Had that share remained steady, government employment would have been more than 23.6 million in June 2012 as compared to its actual level of 21.9 million. That is, employment would be 1.7 million jobs higher today if the share had remained constant, and the unemployment rate would be 7.1 percent instead of the current rate of 8.2 percent"
http://www.brookings.edu/blogs/jobs/posts/2012/08/03-jobs-greenstone-looney
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We are not affluent? I thought we had some decent natural resources I guess I was wrong.
I always thought the US was based on the ablility of people to try and make things better. Perhaps these women should have just been happy and not done anything to try and improve the US. I am terribaly sorry that I have a different perspective on things than you do. I was not aware that your POV was the only authoirized one and the rest of us poor slobs were hoplessly misguided.
By the way, I got some miles for you to.
China. Not really sure I would classify them as capitalist but what ever. Kind of hard to be capitalists when you have a authoritarian government.
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