Helicopter Operations

[leadingedge]

And the winner is Magseal! TEXAS IT IS!

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[cap]

Sisyphus -------- well we differ again sir. If I was an owner I'd want an idependent thinker that doesn't just "follow" all the time. I would also not want him to consider me, the owner, to be "the enemy" and "out to get him all the time". He should expect also, that I will take "due note" that he has a family and perhaps children that he has a stronger attachment to than me. I concur with that because my family comes before my business also. IF at some point, he becomes disenchanted with me I expect to try to work things out with him and if that is not possible and he feels that he must "bad-mouth" me behind my back or in public......I will expect that he will be "man enough" to leave. I will endeavour to do my best to keep him happy, but I firmly expect that he will get beter offers and will be saddened when he departs, but I can only afford to pay him so much. I detest a person with no ambition and know that I may loose him at some point anyway. He will afterwards get my respect and I will also expect his, even when we compete years later.

At that point he may do as he pleases, BUT as long as he is employed by me; I demand and will get his loyalty; his flying abilities to the best of his ability; I expect him to know that he is one of my company Ambassadors and my company may well be judged by his actions at and away from work and lastly, I expect him not to "tear the hell out of my machinery" or the DOM will be VERY dissatified and will have a "fireside chat" with him before I do. He will find that the conversation with the DOM will be decidedly different than the conversation with me because I have "cut a budget" for the DOM to stay within and he may have just "blown it" for the DOM.

In return, I will pay him as much as I can, based on what he has to offer me, cover him and his family with benefits to the best of my ability and treat him as a valued company asset until he shows me differently. If he would like to become part of my monetary interest in the company, I will advise him when we need to cover a "floating line of credit" at the local banking institution and he can be available to put his home, other possible assets and investments up for possible security, if and when the Regional banking offices says they are needed. If he cannot do that then I will "cut him some slack" and ask him to be the one to advise X number of employees that he can't afford to pay them and must lay them off....including possibly the young pilot with a new home and a newly pregnant wife. He might well enjoy that because being part owner, it is now a given that he was "out to screw" those laid-ff employees anyway, so he should "be in his glory".

 

[Bullet Remington]

Cap:

Nicely stated, Sir. Whatever happened to " Duty, Loyality and Honor"?

Man things have sure changed! I 'm really having difficulty adjusting to some of the attitudes shown here! I'm getting way to old for this Shyte!

Then again...maybe its just me!

 

[cap]

Ohhhh, don't blame just our industry for that. It's everywhere and in all professions and just "a sign of the times" buddy. My wife has taught for 30+ years and she'll give you an earfull too about her profession.

 

[Over-Talk]

Some people want the Charter of Rights to cover their butts all the way through life.
Shouldn't there be a Charter of Responsibilities that requires citizens to provide a minimum level of quality and service to their families, employers and neighbours ??

This place has become a haven for a few nut-cases lately.
(Skywrench/moderators, sorry about the name-calling....but am I wrong ??).
I don't mind these people expressing their opinions, but if their opinions had some basis in reality it would make a pleasant change.
Their values are so out of touch with the real world that I can only suspect they have lost control of their sanity, thus the title 'nutcases'.

Is it just me, or do the ideals of Sisyphus and Leadingedge seem to be very close.
Are we dealing with just one person again, using two names to support his cause ?

Here's another great one......Leadingedge taking over the reins of HEPAC.....that should drive the membership down below the 3 or 4 people it is right now.

Well at least Leadingedge will be able to signup Sisyphus as his second new member !!!

 

[leadingedge]

Cap

1. I am not Sisyphus, I am in fact a 100% independent person with his own mind. You did reply to me in your last post or am I mistaken.

2. I know it may be difficult to understand that there is a person who agrees with the Phus on occasion . It is my nature to be tolerant and understanding of the differences between people, and respect their opinions, doesn't mean that I have to agree all the time, but learning how to agree to disagree is a key component to success and keeps the peace and diffuses conflict. This is something that is lacking in this industry and on this forum.

3. The industry has its problems, like any other industry. I do not agree with statements like
"he or she is not worth hiring" or those that "get flushed out or down" This in itself demonstrate to me a cliqyiness that is more akin to teenage behavior or bullying than anything else. Everybody deserves respect and the right to work. If a particular individual doesn't fit in well, then is the rest of the group who must show tolerance and understanding that all persons are not the same.After all if they are as good as they state it should.t be a problem. The group supports and educates, but not with 15th cerntury torture equipment.

As far as your comments on employee loyalty are concerned I agree, if that was the situation that was arranged.

Sisyphus may have a legitimate compliant, I don't know. But one thing is clear something screwed up somewhere, and instead of beating him into submission as often happens in this industry a bit of understanding and tolerance may be in order.

Cap, Things are not always black and white as you suggest. Before I became a participant in this industry I was a trained psychologist and still am , and I will tell you that some of the things I read here would shake Maslows theories from its foundations.

Eveybodies opinions are important, and we can learn from everybody. Things just don't happen all by them selves, cause and effect my good man.

 

[leadingedge]

Overtalk

You are entitled to your opinion but you do not have the training nor the education to asses if somebody is a "nutcase" or not. ( this is clear by your statements) Just cause somebody articulates a grievance that contravenes your linear pattern of thinking is not evidence of a nutcase.

Just somebody that has an issue to resolve, and from what I can gather Sisyphuses matters as he states are beyond his control " ie the owners club whisper campagne" must be very frustrating when you can do nothing.

You should provide me with a list of what you consider a nutcase to be, is it somebody who disagrees with you?

 

[Over-Talk]

Leadingedge.....let me repeat my definition for you in bold so you might understand it this time....
(your replies often indicate that you are pre-planning your rebuttal before you have thoroughly read and tried to understand the full post).

"Their values are so out of touch with the real world that I can only suspect they have lost control of their sanity, thus the title 'nutcases'."

I am sure a psychologist such as yourself doesn't use the term "nut-case", or define patients as such.
However, as a commercial helicopter pilot in Canada for over 20 years now, I do feel I have the experience to determine whether someone is completely out of touch with the realities of our industry, and therefore suits my definition of a "nut-case".

You always seem so offended when we don't all fall over in complete obeyance and agreement with your posts. That's what started this thread, and you continue to thrash that idea, even without prompting.
Then you give preachy lectures about how people have to learn how to disagree.
Is it possible for you to accept that many of the posters here are sick of this constant thrashing of your opinions that we simply don't agree with??
It is no wonder the term "nabobs of negativism" was used recently.

With all the "training" in psychology that you have, I suspect that you would qualify to work as a "university-educated employee" for another character that spent too much time around here a while ago.
He'd definitely fit anyone's definition of a "nut-case".
Your spelling ability strikes a stunning resemblence to his.
Maybe he could spend some time on your couch.

Would you be so kind as to list your qualifications as a "trained psychologist", where you still use that training, and in what capacity you are related to the helicopter industry.
Many of us are just dying to know.
As many people have noticed, this website is now "all about you", so go ahead.

Yawning in anticipation, Over-talk.

 

[cap]

Leadingedge ------1) I believe you have me confused with Over-Talk. I never suggested that you were Sisyphus and wouldn't........because I don't really care if you are Paul Martin in disguise........it still doesn't change my post Paul...'er...I mean Leadingedge. 2) I've already stated to Sisyphus that there are already some who agree with SOME of his points....so count me out on that item. 3) any employee that I would employ would have to learn to work with the others in my employ. They are not going to change things because he stepped through the hangar doors.......and they won't care if he's Captain Canuk and Igor Sikorsky all wrapped up in one. If my esteemed new employee has a difficult time accepting that, then we will converse in my office about it. If we cannot reach some accomodation, then he is free to leave. 4) as far as I'm concerned, I have attained an MbA that took me many years at "Uncle Sam's" cost to obtain because classes were difficult to attend in places like Resolute Bay and James Bay......and I ain't the "sharpest knife in the drawer" anyway. I learned this much though........some people in this business called aviation, picked the wrong profession and for the wrong reasons. Then again, I knew that before I got my degrees and those degrees didn't halp me set the a/c down any smoother or help me to get along any better with my cohorts at my place of work. As long as I understood that the engineer was GOD when the a/c was on the ground and that he understood I was GOD when it was in the air, we all got along just fine. The owner(s) just wanted me to get the job done within the rules, make some effort to keep his client happy and bring the a/c home in one piece. I didn't always manage to attain all those ideals because I ain't "God's gift to aviation....but I try and that's all I expect of others.

 

[leadingedge]

Cap

This whole thread started because Skywrench suspended my posting ability then repealed his decision once I agreed to conduct what ever democratic, transparent process under another server, he did however say it was OK to accumulate as much information as I likes as long as it didn't step over the Via liability which it never did. It continued when I stated that Sisyphus was under attack for the thread that was erased - "blacklist thing". I only have advocated fairness and tolerance and tried not to take any one side. (If you remember correctly)

Mean while in another galaxy Overtalk is completely confused and demanding that skywrench provide him with proof to the contrary claiming Nutcase syndrome.

Anyway Cap, it is always interesting and informative reading your posts. And I am sure you would be a good person to work for/ with. Very understanding and intuitive.


OT

As for you Mr. Overtalk, I will suggest that you have overtalked. It's pretty amazing how you can reach conclusions and suggest that somebody is nuts. Your comments are a little insulting to say the least. How have you interpreted what I have written to suggest that I am nuts? I am dying to know? Perhaps there has been a communication confusion interpretation malfunction (CCIM)- check the breaker!

 

[Skids Up]

...Everybody deserves respect and the right to work. If a particular individual doesn't fit in well, then is the rest of the group who must show tolerance and understanding that all persons are not the same.

No where in the world does this apply less than in the aviation industry. Every time one of lifts off this ole earth, we hold anywhere from 1 to 15 or more lives in our hands. Maybe more if we count ground people... (Read responsibilities, talents, and ability required). Everyone may deserve the 'right to work' but not where ever they choose, because as Cap has clearly explained, not everyone fits in everywhere. And a touchy - feel good mandate does not change that.

This is an industry where you have to boss, grunt, gopher, PR person, load calculator, hazard assessor, goat, problem (everything flows downhill), decision maker, time management advisor, financial advisor (best value for customer/trip planning) and problem solver. Probably missed a few, but you get the idea. B)

Not to say we bully, abuse, discriminate etc, but it is not a place for the guy that just wants to ‘fit in someplace’.

“Tolerance and understanding†is different than all the above. So if an individual finds he is not ‘fitting in’ in more than one or two places, maybe it’s not the industry, maybe the answer is found in the mirror…. :down:

What do I base this on? No degrees, just 30+ years in this business getting along with bosses, customers, and others. Haven't been run off a job or fired yet...

 

[Over-Talk]

Leadingedge,
Where did I suggest that you are nuts ??
Where did I demand anything from Skywrench ??

You seem to infer all sorts of comments from these pages, and many of your inferences seem to be far from what the writer has actually written.

You also supposedly "quote" people, and yet you do not use a direct quote, but something similar that helps to illustrate your particular point of view.

Please reply to what is written.

Your desire to argue seems to far exceed your ability to simply agree or disagree.

Yes, we are all "different". Thank goodness for that.
But it is becoming obvious why you want to have a job guaranteed, regardless of how "different" (or difficult) an employee may be.

 

[Angry Egg Driver]

I couln't agree with you more Skids Up.

 

[cap]

Skids Up ------- there is not ONE thing that I have stated that is not common industry SOP or thinking. I didn't get any of it through obtaining degrees, getting married or meditating with some "Shawmi". I THOUGHT it was all common sense, but it would appear that perhaps times are changing more than I thought or it wasn't common sense in the first place. Most of it I learned from a family that had been in the business for generations, the "charter" F/W community and observing and listening to the "old timers" that preceded me in this business. So my thoughts are only things that I learned from aviation and seen them WORK with my own eyes. Geez, come to think of it, maybe I should get my eyes checked better. You just added on to my "supposed wisdom" ........and you're correct again. I guess that now makes you "wise" also.


Leadingedge ------- the above comments are not directed your way or in reply to your post which I understood and with no offense taken on my part.

 

[leadingedge]

Overtalk explain this


"This place has become a haven for a few nut-cases lately.
(Skywrench/moderators, sorry about the name-calling....but am I wrong ??).
I don't mind these people expressing their opinions, but if their opinions had some basis in reality it would make a pleasant change.
Their values are so out of touch with the real world that I can only suspect they have lost control of their sanity, thus the title 'nutcases'.

Is it just me, or do the ideals of Sisyphus and Leadingedge seem to be very close.
Are we dealing with just one person again, using two names to support his cause ?"

Maybe it wasn't you that requested of skywrench to verify who was who! ? I'm sorry I may have miss quoted this one.?

Anyway enough said.

The whole thread is becoming tiresome.