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I think you guys are blowing some of this out of proportion, and it might be why DL is going it alone on the issue without Parker or Smisek getting drawn into it.

When you boil down the cost of financing thru ExIm vs. other sources as a component of ownership expense, it's a relatively small number. It's certainly not the underlying reason for EK, QR, and EY's lower operating costs. I also doubt they're really choosing Boeing or Airbus based on the interest rate.

I'm far more concerned with the cost of opening up pre-clearance in the Middle East and the competitive advantage that creates for EK than I am over ExIm.
 
And you havent been gone eight years, you took the money and ran, you have no idea of what is going on currently, you dont work the ramp nor are you a flight attendant.
 
Kevin has told you what is going on, plenty of support and its growing.
 
And the IAM is not the topic, its the ExIm bank and Boeing isnt the only company that benefits from the ExIm bank.
 
I think you guys are blowing some of this out of proportion, and it might be why DL is going it alone on the issue without Parker or Smisek getting drawn into it.

When you boil down the cost of financing thru ExIm vs. other sources as a component of ownership expense, it's a relatively small number. It's certainly not the underlying reason for EK, QR, and EY's lower operating costs. I also doubt they're really choosing Boeing or Airbus based on the interest rate.

I'm far more concerned with the cost of opening up pre-clearance in the Middle East and the competitive advantage that creates for EK than I am over ExIm.
because AA and UA don't care about it hardly is justification that DL shouldn't.

The simple fact is that DL is rewriting the way the legacy airlines have operated which has been full of ups and downs and massive debt, mostly for aircraft.

DL is not interested in paying more than it needs to for aircraft and it has been shown for several years now that DL not only has competitive or better aircraft costs, fuel costs, and maintenance costs.

What DL doesn't have is the massive amount of debt that AA and UA have.

The fact that DL is doing something that AA and UA aren't or don't want to deal with JUSTIFIES why DL has a higher market cap than either AA or UA.

DL also argued against delays at US gateways for immigration processing far more than AA or UA did, developed its own plans to deal with the issue, and has more automated passport readers online right now than AA or UA do, including in key competitive gateways like LAX and JFK where there is a marked difference in the immigration processing times between terminals that have automated passport readers/systems and those that do not.

The fact that DL is dealing with major structural issues with the industry shows that DL has moved beyond just holding the operation together and dealing with labor issues which is where AA and UA are.
 
And you havent been gone eight years, you took the money and ran, you have no idea of what is going on currently, you dont work the ramp nor are you a flight attendant.
 
Kevin has told you what is going on, plenty of support and its growing.
 
And the IAM is not the topic, its the ExIm bank and Boeing isnt the only company that benefits from the ExIm bank.
Of course you don't want to talk about the IAM and instead turn the conversation personal.

Who gives a frog's fat backside what I or you do in our private lives? The simple fact is that the IAM is not going to challenge the ExIm Bank because it benefits Boeing at the cost of the stability of US airlines.  

You'll be shown to be on the wrong side of this issue just as you have been on so many others affecting DL employees.

what your relationship is with the IAM is up for you to answer but the evidence on this forum that you don't stand for what is of interest to the majority of DL employees is more than clear.

 
And if you look Boeing isnt the main benefactor.
 
If you look here are the statistics from the bank.
 
http://www.exim.gov/customcf/congressionalmap/us_map_text.cfm
 
CA, TX and AZ are the three states who benefit the most.
And yet who do you think pays the bills regardless of who benefits? It is STILL US airlines.

And Boeing is not about going to argue that they or any of their constituents benefit even when the facts are clearly on the table.

You can post all of Boeing's talking points that you want.

Congress is listening and they are listening to DL's arguments.

The fact that DL is able to take on a battle against Boeing, a far larger company, and win the minds of major leaders in the US says that DL does in fact have a valid position, regardless of who wins and who does or does not see things the same way DL does.
 
US airlines dont subsidies foreign airlines who purchase Boeing planes.
 
Gee your a numbers guy and the facts prove you wrong.
 
This is about the ExIm bank, not the IAM and the statistics show, Boeing is not the top nor near the top of benefiting from the ExIm Bank.
 
And I am posting after my own research right from the ExIm bank's web page, not Boeing or any other source.
 
Unlike you who has Anderson's hand up your back controlling what you say.
 
You lose again!
 
You are so hopelessly confused about the issues on the subject, I wouldn't expect you to know what the key points are.

The ExIm Bank is not interested in changing what they have. Of course they aren't going to argue that the system they have favors foreign carriers over US carriers.

Let's make it simple and maybe you will get it.

Foreign airlines receive LOWER INTEREST RATES than what is commercially available thru transactions financed by the ExIm Bank.

Even Boeing admits there is a gap.

Even at the same sales price, the cost of ownership is lower for aircraft financed by the ExIm Bank or another state sponsored bank which has higher credit than any commercial bank. The US government, after all, is the guarantor of the US Dollar.

The fact that you can't understand the facts and instead resort to name calling when it is clear the conflict of interest which the IAM has and which you can't admit demonstrates very clearly why multi-employer, multi-industry employers are bad for Delta employees and why they have consistently and repeatedly voted against further unions.

The fact that AA and UA turn a blind eye to $10M here and $50M there highlights precisely why DL has the higher market cap and lower debt.
 
thanks meto   but even so though with the deep discounts  that would obviously have a cheaper loan attached with it wouldn't it?   as far as favorable  how much of that would be attributed to the fact the govt over there owns Emirates as well as Qatar and Eithad     Wouldn't Middle East Airlines also fall into that category too?
thanks meto   but even so though with the deep discounts  that would obviously have a cheaper loan attached with it wouldn't it?   as far as favorable  how much of that would be attributed to the fact the govt over there owns Emirates as well as Qatar and Eithad     Wouldn't Middle East Airlines also fall into that category too?[/quote
Exactly. Those airlines are not what this program was created for.US airlines can't buy aircraft under these programs yet they must compete against these airlines and our own government subsidizes their loans. Get a clue the only people that this effects is Boeing and you must realize that there are only two manufactures so let the playing Field be leveled . Your iam buddy is clueless....
 
WT, I fully expected you to defend DL's actions here with both barrels, and you haven't disappointed.

Maybe the reason you don't see AA or UA jumping into the limelight on this is because they've read the tea leaves, and don't see the House passing a reauthorization before the current authority expires. If conservatives regain control of the Senate in about 70 days, the only way ExIm survives is with some reform taking place, such as applying a needs test to applicants as opposed to simply making cheap loans available to anyone who wants them.

The point still stands that the interest rate on financing is a nit in comparison to many of the other fundamental and structural issues facing the industry.

I'd love to see this much attention being focused on NextGen ATC or the somewhat arbitrary pilot hiring criteria that's now been imposed on the industry.
 
So, you believe it is only worth fighting battles if you can find people who will line up with you?

seems like a "nothing ventured, nothing gained" way of living.

I believe the way ExIm operates is wrong. DL may have brought the issue to light but there are a whole lot of people who believe it is wrong and they don't have any loyalty to DL.

And again, the fact that you are happy to sweep away tens of millions of dollars per aircraft as insignificant shows why the legacy carriers collectively are in the condition they are in.

Given that AA and UA both have scores of new generation aircraft on order, even $10M per aircraft adds up very quickly.

DL is not content to just sweep those kinds of amounts under the rug as insignificant nor are they willing to let things go that are wrong based on principle.

DL has indeed focused issue on a lot of issues in the industry but for now this is one that has significant competitive concerns; right now, DL and every other US carrier - as well as foreign carriers - are faced with the same ATC issues.

Financing is a uniquely DL issue.

Further, DL's on-time in the NYC area airports is better than either AA or UA so perhaps DL can overcome those issues using its own resources.

This is an issue that DL chooses to fight.

DL didn't ask for nor needs your approval to move forward with its work against the ExIm's current operations.
 
Not every issue deserves going to battle. Why put yourself on the bleeding edge when it appears the momentum is already going in the desired direction with or without the lobbying efforts?

I find it interesting you've decided to go on the attack here, even though I'm actually supporting the position DL is taken.
 
because DL does see it as an issue that matters.

When you sit on the board, you can tell them to back off.

it is a battle they want to take on.

I'm going on no attack. I'm simply noting that you clearly don't have the pulse of what matters to DL or its people and you have also embraced the status quo of the airline industry -which is exactly what I would expect given your loyalty to AA which is doing what legacy airlines have always done, including having the highest percentage of debt in the US industry and the largest order book in the industry as well.

Other airlines including DL simply don't see it that way.

I'm not surprised you don't see it the way DL does.
 
WorldTraveler said:
I'm simply noting that you clearly don't have the pulse of what matters to DL or its people
I'll bet a pint at the Manchester Arms that I've met personally with more DL employees and executives in the past six months than you have, specifically to discuss what matters to DL.
 
He left eight years ago, yep he is in touch with Anderson numerous times a day on how to run Delta, lol!
 
He left eight years ago, yep he is in touch with Anderson numerous times a day on how to run Delta, lol!
yet you were NEVER at DL and neither was E.

Other than keeping alive a thread that shows that both of you are completely out of touch with what DL identifies as a key corporate initiative which is supported by its employees, I'm not sure what your point is in the last two posts from you two.
 
and youre out of touch with what DL id's as key corporate initiative which is not 100% supported by the employees  
 

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