How Much Is Management Going To Contribute ?

[Reservation Agent]

What are all the Managers gonna give up in pay & benefits to help this company?

If there is so, so much concern about U's survival, surely part of the plan is what will be management's giveback to the company, after all the other employees ALREADY gave 2 times....

It is now Management's turn to show they are serious by proving they have a "real" commitment themselves....Not just everybody else but by themselves, if they really mean what they say, they can lead by example !

 

[Reservation Agent]

Did I miss the stories in the news on what the managers are willing to give up, to help their company ???

 

[<./']>]

It's not about what managers are going to give up, it's about when are they going to start enacting some changes? Lots of pay and benefits given up by Joe Employee and no changes for the better at the management side........

 

[geo1004]

Since they are non-union (i.e. no collective bargaining agreements, seniority, et al) any wholesale cut recommendation across the entire administrative group will fail.

Looking for the CEO to share the cuts is one thing but if you ask the same of the receptionists, secretaries, admin assistants and the low and mid level day to day administrators they will tell you to pound sand and walk out the door. None of those folks have the same level of job protection (when was the last time an admin assistant was fourloughed???) and defined benefits. These folks are at-will employess so the company can tell them bye-bye at any time they want (unlike the union employees).

 

[SalesGuyCCY]

I'm REALLY tired of "Reservation Agent" worrying about what management gives up! Just answer the frigging phones for peat's sake and let others who studied hard, went to college/grad school and have professional careers and significant responsiblilities, worry about the rest.

If you have not listened, Lakefield has said numerous times that EVERYONE will participate in the restructuring which leads me to believe that includes management.

If you are unhappy, do what Seigel suggested: LEAVE!

 

[USFlyer]

Tell you what, let's level the playing field. If every union agrees to give up seniority and recall rights, US will not cut anyone's salary.

 

[Frontier69]

There's a rumor on the street that shift mgrs in PHL will be bumped up 1 paygrade and then downgraded 1 grade when the cba's are enacted resulting in a net payloss of ZERO. Can anyone confirm this?

 

[USFlyer]

Just to clarify, when I think of "management" I think of those working in HR, Finance, Legal, Marketing, Accounting, Sales, IT/E-Commerce and the like, not station management. Any of the folks in the departments I just mentioned have tremendous mobility now that the DC job market has improved ... last I saw unemployment in this area was around 3.3 percent. And, none of them are tied to the company due to seniority, pensions, etc.

Now, should they contribute? Absolutely. But you need to find a way to make it equitable, and given they don't have some of the union protections -- like furloughs, like seniority, etc. -- it's a tough balance to find.

 

[700UW]

Flyer, there are no more furlough protections in any CBA and has not been since round one, since 9/11 there are 20,000 less employees.

And they accept employment in a non-union capacity, they have to live with it, if they want to change it let me unionize, but the unionized workers are not gonna subsidize any other group.

 

[USFlyer]

Flyer, there are no more furlough protections in any CBA and has not been since round one, since 9/11 there are 20,000 less employees.

And they accept employment in a non-union capacity, they have to live with it, if they want to change it let me unionize, but the unionized workers are not gonna subsidize any other group.

When I say furlough protections, I mean the company furloughs union folks in lieu of laying them off. If someone in CCY loses a job due to downsizing, they have no recall rights, etc. Quite frankly, I think this is something that needs to go across the board, but I'm positive it would never happen.

And, if someone accepts employment in a union position, they have to live with it, which being in the airline industry in this day and age means you probably get screwed. And, it's not a matter of subsidizing any other group. US needs to recruit and retain talent in CCY, otherwise no amount of concessions will dig US out of the hole it dug for itself. I know lots of top notch folks that would love to work for US, but they won't do it due to the risk and poor salaries offered.

 

[700UW]

Top notch talent? Where? Not in CCY! They do not know how to run an airline. And the admin reps at US do have recall rights, I know several in CLT who were laid-off after 9/11 and they are back to work. And why shouldn't someone who has given 13 years to a company have recall rights? Recall rights are only fair, you have skilled and trained employees ready to step back in and not cause problems that you get with new hires.

 

[USFlyer]

Umm, so let me get this straight. You don't like management in CCY yet don't want to pay big bucks to recruit the talent you really need. Great business move.

And, for what it's worth ... there are lots of high quality folks in CCY that have been screaming for years that US's business plan is flawed. Senior management sets the company's strategy, though, and up until this point senior management has been asleep at the wheel, unwilling to listen to those they have hired to advise them or simply too scared to take a risk and totally remake the company.

 

[Smartest Loser]

Just answer the frigging phones for peat's sake and let others who studied hard, went to college/grad school and have professional careers and significant responsiblilities, worry about the rest.

This is how we got into the mess we are in now...!!

6 CEO's in 10 years, they must have been asleep in those classes.

SL

 

[Frontier69]

Well folks, from my perspective anyone who has a title with manager regardless if it is a shift mgr or dept mgr. these are still management. If the rumor I heard is true, then it tells me that mgmnt across the board is not going to give any $$ cuts to contribute to the bottom line. CCY is pretty crafty of making it look good to the cause, but its just smoke and mirrors. I cant understand this philosophy of trying to recruit the better management candidate with a better wage. To me I would rather have the better performer than someone who looks good on paper. I have seen way too many slackers running around with suits on these days.

 

[MrAeroMan]

Well folks, from my perspective anyone who has a title with manager regardless if it is a shift mgr or dept mgr. these are still management. If the rumor I heard is true, then it tells me that mgmnt across the board is not going to give any $$ cuts to contribute to the bottom line. CCY is pretty crafty of making it look good to the cause, but its just smoke and mirrors. I cant understand this philosophy of trying to recruit the better management candidate with a better wage. To me I would rather have the better performer than someone who looks good on paper. I have seen way too many slackers running around with suits on these days.

If you're going to paint with a broad brush as you are then don't complain when the same brush is applied to your group. If you have a bunch of slackers in your organized group is it fair to say they are all slackers? If you perceive the managers running around you see as slackers what is the basis of that perception? Is it because you don't actually see them doing physical labor or does it appear to you they just aren't working. Just because they don't appear to be working doesn't mean it is so.
As for recruiting a better candidate with more money...Where do you think the better performers are going to go to work? They will most certainly take the better working conditions combined with bennies that best suit their needs. Companies offering jobs to these people showcase the whole package to get them on board. What does UAIR have to offer these people? It certainly isn't a stable working environment so that's why they have to resort to paying more money. It's the only thing they can offer to level the playing field.