IBT No Show Forum

[Swadl]

The reason for the years is because it benifits our junior mechanics more.

I'll agree to temp fences of 5 years. And from the Atlanta AT mechanics I've talked to they would agree to a 3-5 year fence.

 

[Swadl]

AirTran mechanics please tell me why some of you want fences?? The fencing is a horrible idea. If SWA decides to lay off mechanics in Atlanta you could not exercise your seniority in Dallas if that was the only opening and there for a senior mechanic at AirTran could get layed off before a junior SWA mechanic and vise versa. I'd agree to a temp fence of say 3-5 years but I still do not like the fences at all. And just to tell you I know a majority of the Dallas mechanics and I only know of 2 mechanics that want to go to Atlanta and they can't do that till kids are finished with school and that is in 6 years. And the other has 3 years. I know their is not going to be a flood of SWA mechanics going to Atlanta as I'm sure most of you won't be flooding to a SWA MX station.

 

[swa757]

If we are talking about SWA mechanics sticking together than I am concerned with not only seniority but about about these fences. Mostly because I have heard that the Orlando Hanger might "not be used" and the flights in BWI are not enough to support the number of employees after the merge. What happens then??

I don't think that SWA will even entertain 2 year and fences and if fences are included then in order to protect MCO and BWI there would have to be 7 or more years straight across.

I do however think 4 years with NO fences would pass.

At this point I think that arbitration might be the way to go. People are saying that SWA mechanics are being selfish however SWA mechanics are just concerned with job security at this point.

 

[superman32870]

The reason for the years is because it benifits our junior mechanics more.

I'll agree to temp fences of 5 years. And from the Atlanta AT mechanics I've talked to they would agree to a 3-5 year fence.

I think I would agree to the fences only if it were for bidding purposes only. I will still not agree to fences that have furlough and bumping protections. Believe that's why we voted the last one down. At least that's why I did.

 

[swamt]

Why years? Why not the 30% straight up reduction in senority we talked about here?

The concept has been discussed and changed over to a yearly mark by a majority of the membership. I too would have rather seen the % instead of years. Now that the concept has been accepted by the teamsters (concept only) then looks like we are going fwd with yrs. It would be rediculous to change the concept again. The teamsters and AT guys will get the written offer soon. More than likely by no later than the end of this week.

 

[MadMan337]

I agree with you. These last few days have gone way down hill. That's why I stayed away from posting the last few days. I tried posting the update to stop the tactic and insults posting to get back on track of the issue at hand "senority integration."
So please if anyone has any input on the latest update, corrections, questions, or just your personal opinion about it please post. Let's stop all the insults and childish behavior.

BTW AT2006, AvTech, or MadMan, have any of you heard the same update from the teamsters counter offer?? Usually by now people have posted the same. And does anyone know if it's been sent over to the AT guys yet???

A request was made by the IBT to present a written proposal of the 4 year boost that was verbalized at the last meeting between AMFA and AT. That will be sent probably by tomorrow. There was a verbal proposal of 2 1/2 year boost from AT, it is not being considered by AMFA because it would not pass. It is still unknown who at the IBT can sign off on any agreement between AMFA and AT to be voted on or if the IBT will ever sign off on any agreement made by the AT committee.

 

[swamt]

A request was made by the IBT to present a written proposal of the 4 year boost that was verbalized at the last meeting between AMFA and AT. That will be sent probably by tomorrow. There was a verbal proposal of 2 1/2 year boost from AT, it is not being considered by AMFA because it would not pass. It is still unknown who at the IBT can sign off on any agreement between AMFA and AT to be voted on or if the IBT will ever sign off on any agreement made by the AT committee.

Thx for the update. Guess we wait again. AT guys need to pressure the IBT it really would help to bring this to a conclusion.

 

[AvTech04]

I think I would agree to the fences only if it were for bidding purposes only. I will still not agree to fences that have furlough and bumping protections. Believe that's why we voted the last one down. At least that's why I did.

Now we're getting some where! That's a good idea... I could live with that. A fence for only voluntary bidding purposes for set amount of years.. Just until the dust settles. I'm a firm percentile loss and done vote but might be persuaded for years with something like that in the offer..

 

[swamt]

I think I would agree to the fences only if it were for bidding purposes only. I will still not agree to fences that have furlough and bumping protections. Believe that's why we voted the last one down. At least that's why I did.

Could you give an example of this senerio please? In does indeed sound interesting.

 

[swamt]

Now we're getting some where! That's a good idea... I could live with that. A fence for only voluntary bidding purposes for set amount of years.. Just until the dust settles. I'm a firm percentile loss and done vote but might be persuaded for years with something like that in the offer..

You guys could be onto something here. Throw out some senerio examples. One question I would have is this. Ex: let's say SWA was forced to shut down maint in ATL (example only) would the mechanics be able to bid to DAL where their senority could take them? Or, are they restricted from bidding into DAL due to the fences? And if this is the case, would mechanic from ATL then have to take another station, without fences, until the fences are removed, then try to bid into DAL? Same question for reverse senerio, if DAL had to be shut down, then what?

 

[WNMECH]

You guys could be onto something here. Throw out some senerio examples. One question I would have is this. Ex: let's say SWA was forced to shut down maint in ATL (example only) would the mechanics be able to bid to DAL where their senority could take them? Or, are they restricted from bidding into DAL due to the fences? And if this is the case, would mechanic from ATL then have to take another station, without fences, until the fences are removed, then try to bid into DAL? Same question for reverse senerio, if DAL had to be shut down, then what?

Dude, you are hilarious.
Did you go to a road show meeting or talk to anyone at work?
Fences are the number one reason the last offer was voted down.
If we wanted fences we could already have them with a 70% boost to our senority.
Wake up.

 

[swamt]

Dude, you are hilarious.
Did you go to a road show meeting or talk to anyone at work?
Fences are the number one reason the last offer was voted down.
If we wanted fences we could already have them with a 70% boost to our senority.
Wake up.

I did. This is why I am asking questions. It sounds more like they are talking about a modified fencing, I will gather as much info as possible, then make a choice. If it is still too restrictive (after I have the senerios answered) then I will still go with my no fences. But could we not at look at every senerio? If it doesn't work, it doesn't work. At least hear them out before you just close the mind about it.

 

[WNMECH]

I did. This is why I am asking questions. It sounds more like they are talking about a modified fencing, I will gather as much info as possible, then make a choice. If it is still too restrictive (after I have the senerios answered) then I will still go with my no fences. But could we not at look at every senerio? If it doesn't work, it doesn't work. At least hear them out before you just close the mind about it.

It is just that the committee has heard enough to know why it was voted down.
They are past this part of the negotiating.
I just think you are going backwards and wasting your time, but I guess it is your time so carry on.

 

[superman32870]

You guys could be onto something here. Throw out some senerio examples. One question I would have is this. Ex: let's say SWA was forced to shut down maint in ATL (example only) would the mechanics be able to bid to DAL where their senority could take them? Or, are they restricted from bidding into DAL due to the fences? And if this is the case, would mechanic from ATL then have to take another station, without fences, until the fences are removed, then try to bid into DAL? Same question for reverse senerio, if DAL had to be shut down, then what?

I was thinking the bidding would be sw to sw and at to at. All bets off if it came down to a layoff then seniority rules no fences what so ever. Of course the first part for bidding would only be temp till the dust settles, kind of a transtion period i guess. Like I said though, there can be no fences if it came down to a layoff. Just a thought. Its never to late to hear ideas.

 

[swamt]

It is just that the committee has heard enough to know why it was voted down.
They are past this part of the negotiating.
I just think you are going backwards and wasting your time, but I guess it is your time so carry on.

Hey, what can I say? I just like to look at all options. I do agree we are to far along to make any changes. But if the IBT is waiting until mid March or later to deside, then there quite possibly could be some time, hell, they may offer it from their side, and if they did, it would also be nice to have a good idea of the intent if they did offer it. Believe me, I know the fences and restrictions was the number one reason. Even if we were to discuss it here I don't see it hitting the table in time. By all means, our nego team should press on with what they have.