"In a Class of our own"

[Glucose Intolerant]

Total BS. I say we give that theory a tryout ASAP!!!/IMMEDIATELY!!/Yesterday would be even better!! Does ANYONE here disagree? 😉

You wouldn't happen to have Mr. Bethune's phone number handy???..

How about 20 Years ago......during the PI-US merger.... then we wouldn't even be dealing with the "children of the sand" Management team that are now manning the helm.

No offense - but some posters need to seriously lose the cheerleader uniform and open a hangar door and and take a deep breathe of reality - free of Kool-aid and "cactus" fertilizer.

 

[Travelpro72]

WN is not afraid of US in the SLIGHTEST. As for the PHL-BOS market with a zillion seats, WN will come in and simply TAKE the customer from US. I believe someone on the WN board said that all WN would have to do to alleviate causing delays throughout their system due to an a/c being stuck between two congested airports would be to have a/c locked into their "shuttle" system. US didn't kick WN out of any market. Thats a joke. WN simply crunched numbers and found a more profitable market to move that a/c to. C'mon now. Anyhow....as for US you need to kiss the rear of your VFF's. They will be the ones to barely keep the lights on here. Can you people in management NOT see that? WOW! ! ! 🙄

 

[Low&away]

OK NCFL, I can agree with that. Everyone has a stake and everyone shares some blame. I guess my point is the AL people will not stop complaining no matter what.....and I mean no matter what. Gordon Bethune could come in tomorrow and we would hear nothing but compliants about all the changes.

Your notion that AL types will complain no matter what and that we all share in the blame is quite a stretch and ignores some facts. I think I am a realist so here's my two cent's. USAirways has been and continues to be a great place to enrich oneself... if your in a leadership role. Our stock and our size continues to shrink. I have no reason to believe it will not continue. The excuses are taylor made and already in place. The management pattern of hit and run is a part of our legacy. We are contract employees nothing more and nothing less. Our collective bargaining agreements are necessary liabilities to a faceless corporation that is afraid or incapable of instilling optimism. And yes I am seeking employment elsewhere.

 

[Real tired]

......... and open a hangar door and and take a deep breathe of reality - free of Kool-aid and "cactus" fertilizer.

That sure won't happen here in Pit, 'cause 9 times out of 10, the hanger doors are inop and have to be opened with a push-back tractor!!

 

[jetjok1]

is there any hope the BOD will save us from these bozos?

IMHO- No! I think between not negotiating in good faith, reestablishing our identity(what a joke!) and rumor has it big bonuses for management all the way down to the Chief Pilot (can't prove that though-yet) for our illustrious #1 on time performance, I think they're bleeding the company, in line, with past management practices. We're in trouble because cash is dwindling and with the 3 customers that will come back to us because they don't have to buy water on the airplane......well! what do you think?

 

[john john]

That sure won't happen here in Pit, 'cause 9 times out of 10, the hanger doors are inop and have to be opened with a push-back tractor!!

So I’m sure there are mechanics on the property (key word HANGER) that can fix it.
Not my job syndrome….

 

[usabusdriver]

At the risk of torpedoing this entire thread, the self-definition quoted in the first post was presented to the USAPA negotiating committee by the company in a egregious, farcical and disingenuous attempt to fend off demands for "industry standard" compensation. By proclaiming themselves in a "class of their own," management says it will not countenance paying their pilots (and likely every other labor group) what the "Big Airlines" and/or "Southwest" pays...since there is no "industry standard" for an airline in a "class of its own."

Of course, management, in an 8-K filing just last April, had this to say about executive compensation standards, and who they themselves determined their "peer group" to be"

NYC,

I would like to claim the following as my own, but alas, it is someone else's and I agree completely.


Thanks for characterizing the nature of the company, Mr Glass and Mr. Kirby.

Unfortunately, there are inherent risks associated with employment with a total hybrid airline that doesn't fit a mold and does not fit between the bookends. Naturally, we will need to be compensated for bearing the burden of this added risk. We now will require compensation in excess of any of the "normal" carriers.

 

[Onestep2flt]

is there any hope the BOD will save us from these bozos?

I would say the answer is a resounding no. Who is the BOD. BOD president is your CEO Doug Parker. Vice Chair is Bruce Lakefield former US CEO. Some other characters include long time union buster CEO of BET Robert Johnson. Remember the slick deal to create DC Air that was suppose to assist US with a merger with UAL? How about the esteemed William Stephens that is with the Retirement systems of Alabama. Anyone remember who that is? Then there is Magdalena Jacobsen who serves on the National Mediation board. Does any of this sound like a conflict of interest? There are quite a few others that raise eyebrows but you get the picture. The intermingling of these folks is one very tight fraternity.

I don't think you will see any issues turn up in how the board sees your management team. They serve on each others boards for goodness sakes. They must figure a way to give out the almighty bonus at any cost.

 

[nycbusdriver]

They must figure a way to give out the almighty bonus at any cost.

They already have. It's a very slick deal.

The management bonuses (down to the level of chief pilot, station manger, etc.) are tied to the operational performance of the airline.

So, Tempe decides to egregiously pad the block times of all the flights, and...voila. The airline is running like a Swiss watch! Of course, the aircraft utilization is in the tank, as is the efficiency of the airline as a whole. So, we have a very costly operation as a result. This shows up as inefficient employees, in sore need of paycuts because they are not doing as much work as they can. (They are doing all that is asked, but that's not the point.)

The only thing that matters is that the airline is operating on time and relatively smoothly. THAT is all that matters to management bonuses.

They have stacked the deck to make their bonuses a given, while setting the front line employees up to look inefficient and underworked.

Sleazy? Of course it is. But this is what you get when the incestuous BOD refuses to rein in a greedy, incompetent management team.

 

[Onestep2flt]

Sleazy? Of course it is. But this is what you get when the incestuous BOD refuses to rein in a greedy, incompetent management team.

Well, that was kind of my point. I just was not as eloquent with my vocabulary. You could not say it any better than that.

I was trying to get the idea across of why the BOD would do nothing though. A lot of people don't seem to grasp the cohesiveness of the US Airways board. It is nothing but a buddy system. I think they come up with enough ideas to bring in enough cash to squeeze out every last bit of money for management before they move on to the next airline.

 

[luvthe9]

12/31/09, The gloves come off, flight crews are advised to start saving money just in case.

 

[Richard]

As this thread has migrated to another labor discussion, which we advised against, it is hereby closed.

This thread was supposed to be about the actual statement, and the "definition" of the airline itself--labor implications were to be discussed in the respective workgroup threads.