Invol Furloughs..call Backs To Phx?

[xoxo]

Does anyone have any info on the rumor that the involuntary furloughs are to be called back to work out of PHX? Heard this from a friend that it is a done deal but havnt really been told the whole story of how it will be done(pay, longevity from mainline, training, ETC......) anyone know?

 

[rjh]

Does anyone have any info on the rumor that the involuntary furloughs are to be called back to work out of PHX? Heard this from a friend that it is a done deal but havnt really been told the whole story of how it will be done(pay, longevity from mainline, training, ETC......) anyone know?

[post="307825"][/post]​

I do know that they are calling back 2-3 furloughed dispatchers to work for HP, but I don't know about any other jobs. I heard that, for now at least, they will be considered HP new hires. That may change once the operating certificates are merged, but that's probalby for the unions to decide later.

 

[gso2pit]

Word on the street is that HP was originally going to hire 60-80 pilots this year, but elected to offer those jobs to invol furloughs from US

 

[desertgal]

There is a pretty 'solid' rumor that HP will need to hire FAs in January, but they will not take from 'off the street', they will fill the classes with US furloughs.

 

[xoxo]

The big question is weather we will have to go through 8 weeks of training.? I think that would be completely unacceptable. We are being recalled..not hired as new hires and why should we have to pay for our own hotels? They will not get anyone to go there if we have to pay for our own hotels during training. :down:

 

[barbeetantrums]

The big question is weather we will have to go through 8 weeks of training.? I think that would be completely unacceptable. We are being recalled..not hired as new hires and why should we have to pay for our own hotels? They will not get anyone to go there if we have to pay for our own hotels during training. :down:

[post="308058"][/post]​

Maybe that is what they want? :unsure:

 

[BoeingBoy]

xoxo,

[Now that I've got this in the right thread]

Below is the portion of the ALPA transition agreement concerning furloughed East pilots filling vacancies at West rather than hiring off the street. Of course, nothing guarantees that AFA & management will work out something similiar. One might assume that if these provisions were acceptable to management for pilots then they might be acceptable for the F/A's as well.

As for your questions immediately above, this won't provide any answers at all.

Jim

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America West will not hire new pilots if pilots on the US Airways seniority list remain on furlough, provided that America West may hire a new pilot if all pilots on furlough have been offered recall to US Airways or have been offered positions by America West in the order of seniority. Available positions at America West will be offered to furloughed US Airways pilots under the recall provisions contained in Section 23, paragraph I of the US Airways - ALPA collective bargaining agreement, except that active MDA pilots with recall rights to US Airways will continue to be subject to the applicable freeze/hold provisions of LOA 91, Attachment B "Recall to US Airways". A furloughed US Airways pilot who declines a position as an America West pilot retains the right to be offered the next position offered and also retains the right to be recalled to US Airways in accordance with his US Airways seniority. A US Airways pilot who accepts a position at America West:

a) will be treated as junior to all pilots who are on the America West seniority list on the effective date of this Letter of Agreement, but pilots on the US Airways seniority list employed by America West under this paragraph 6 will be ranked among themselves in their order on the US Airways seniority list;

B) will be considered an employee of America West during Separate Operations and subject to the America West collective bargaining agreement;

c) will retain, accrue and be entitled to use his combined longevity at both carriers for all purposes including but not limited to pay (excluding furlough pay, which will be calculated based on time at America West only), benefits, vacation accrual, and eligibility towards pension contributions and health and welfare participation;

d) may be required to forego recall to US Airways for up to eighteen (18) months from the date of his employment as a pilot for America West;

e) will retain his position on the US Airways seniority list and will be integrated in the combined seniority list based on his position on the US Airways seniority list;

f) will not be required to serve a probation period as a pilot for America West;

g) will not receive furlough pay from US Airways with respect to the period of his service as a pilot for America West;

h) will be subject to any applicable background checks and employment requirements for pilots returning from furlough.

 

[desertgal]

The big question is weather we will have to go through 8 weeks of training.? I think that would be completely unacceptable. We are being recalled..not hired as new hires and why should we have to pay for our own hotels? They will not get anyone to go there if we have to pay for our own hotels during training. :down:

[post="308058"][/post]​

I assume you would have the option to accept or decline as you see fit.
Keep in mind HP and US must operate under seperate certs , as seperate airlines, for appx 2yrs.
If "they can not get anyone to go there" THEY (we) will hire of the street. No biggie. You can keep doing what you're doing and wait to be recalled in a way that satisfies you.

I think maybe there will need to be a little more detailed negotiating between US MEC and New US mgmnt.

 

[hp_fa]

The big question is weather we will have to go through 8 weeks of training.? I think that would be completely unacceptable. We are being recalled..not hired as new hires and why should we have to pay for our own hotels? They will not get anyone to go there if we have to pay for our own hotels during training. :down:

[post="308058"][/post]​

Then just decline the offer. Just don't complain if DP makes good on what he said that people not active on Day 1 do NOT have jobs.

 

[xoxo]

I assume you would have the option to accept or decline as you see fit.
Keep in mind HP and US must operate under seperate certs , as seperate airlines, for appx 2yrs.
If "they can not get anyone to go there" THEY (we) will hire of the street. No biggie. You can keep doing what you're doing and wait to be recalled in a way that satisfies you.

I think maybe there will need to be a little more detailed negotiating between US MEC and New US mgmnt.

[post="308071"][/post]​

Yeah..keep doing what I am doing? I am about to get my second fulough in less than 3 years. I had over 3 years at mainline and a year and a half at the 170 EMB-Divion(MAA) whatever they wanna call it..so I will be on the street soon..again.

 

[Light Years]

Ok, what about the 250 F/As that have jobs today (post Day1) and will lose them starting in January?

 

[BoeingBoy]

and why should we have to pay for our own hotels?

[post="308058"][/post]​

Sorry, xoxo - I should have looked at the section of the CBA that was referenced in the part or the transition agreement I posted above.

"6. All pilots returning from furlough shall receive Company provided single occupancy lodging while assigned to the Company's training program."

Again, this doesn't necessarily mean anything about what the AFA MEC's may be able to work out.....

Jim

 

[goodgirl37]

Then just decline the offer. Just don't complain if DP makes good on what he said that people not active on Day 1 do NOT have jobs.

[post="308074"][/post]​

This post shows that you have 0 intelligence and obviously if DP had said that, then I would be very fearful for the employees of USAir. No.1 HPFA no one in mgmt. can override a contract and say that if you are not active on "day 1" that you do not have a job, That is the purpose of a unionized corporation, This kind of post goes to show that you will believe anything you hear from anyone and I for one do not believe that any one single person in upper management would say such a thing because they know that over riding a contract is not possible, without massive lawsuits, so HP chici tica - If you can find where he has said this please post it, otherwise shut your rumor spreading mouth!!!

Thank you and have a nice day!!!

 

[tadjr]

no one in mgmt. can override a contract

[post="308334"][/post]​

Oh come on, I think they can. I had a customer in baggage just the other night wanting to know who at US he could write to to get them to change the lightning call out times in the ramp contract. He was tired of waiting for his bag and thought he could get someone right on it.... until he heard 2010 or later... 🙄
Maybe he knows someone that hp_fa knows? :unsure:

 

[BoeingBoy]

I think what Parker & Lakefield said was that someone furloughed on one side should not be able to displace an active employee on the other side - I can dig out the exact quote if anyone wants.

In other words, they said that if you don't have a job on day 1, you can't "claim" an active employees job just because they are junior to you.

Jim