Jetblue - Union?

[Dizel8]

[quote name='Nor'Easta' post='378188' date='May 6 2006, 04:29 AM']The big reason for them; Are those nasty transcon turns.[/quote]

Well, I know some very senior F/A's who loves those, since the productivity is very good indeed. One mans trash another mans treasure I suppose.

However, on the union front, it is up to each individual and each group whether they want representation, my only hope is, that they make this choice with open eyes and consider all the different options.

The IAM may be good, then again at NWA we saw them take jobs that supposedly belonged to AMFA as they went on strike.

 

[nbmcg01]

[quote name='Nor'Easta' post='378347' date='May 6 2006, 03:31 PM']And what does this topic have to do with TWA? Nothing![/quote]


Ah my friend, history does seem to repeat itself. The topic was about the IAM. All I was suggesting is that before any decisions on representation are made, get ALL of the information available. Constitution and By-laws, past practices, unfulfilled "promises". It is all about the dues, and unfortunately, very little about true representation.

Clarification, BK was a condition of the sale. LPPs were given up without any discussion with the members. This was planned over a year + with many creditors being paid off to lower cash on hand and make it easier to abbrogate the contracts. But that is another story...

Do your homework. Please have someone "neutral" with labor experience, look at all of the C&Bs of any union you are considering. That is where you will find the best "view" of the overall operation and how you will fit into the group. It will also give you a clear window of your autonomy (or lack of).

 

[brown]

IAM Petitions for vote GO IAM!

Yeah, go IAM and let them sell you out also. Just ask this bozo how many maintenance stations have closed at USAirways in the last 5 years? The IAM is the union walking past the picketers at NWA!!!!! Think about the TEAMSTERS!!!!

You forget TWA was in bankruptcy for it third time and was not going emerge from it AA put the screw to TWA and its employees, not the IAM, and last time I checkd your FAs at TWA approved the changes in their contract, and I dont know how many mergers you have been through, but in a merger you always fall under the surviving carrier.

So your scope langauge covers the work you do while under TWA certificate, not AAs.

What AA wanted out of your contract was LPPs, not scope.

Don't pay this guy any mind, he is on IAM's payroll. Works in the office and just scans this board for anyone puting down his IAM. They are and always will be a scab airline!!!!

 

[700UW]

Brown you are a liar.

I do not work for the IAM nor in an office for them.

If you are making an accusation please prove it!

The ibt leads in the outsourcing of heavy mtc in all sectors of air travel, HP, CO, UPS and at WN when they were there.

Also Champion Air flew flights for NWA because of OTS aircraft due to the AMFA strike, guess who represents Champion Air's Flight Attendants and Dispatchers, The ibt does.

The ibt organized scabs at CO and at an airline in Canada.

Back up your lies or retract them.

 

[brown]

Brown you are a liar.

I do not work for the IAM nor in an office for them.

If you are making an accusation please prove it!

The ibt leads in the outsourcing of heavy mtc in all sectors of air travel, HP, CO, UPS and at WN when they were there.

Also Champion Air flew flights for NWA because of OTS aircraft due to the AMFA strike, guess who represents Champion Air's Flight Attendants and Dispatchers, The ibt does.

The ibt organized scabs at CO and at an airline in Canada.

Back up your lies or retract them.

I know you are in your IAM headquarters, please tell me why the baggage handlers at NWA crossed AMFA while they were on strike? Just that!!!

 

[QA4Jet-A]

I know you are in your IAM headquarters, please tell me why the baggage handlers at NWA crossed AMFA while they were on strike? Just that!!!

You have a hidden CAM somewhere??? :blink:

 

[700UW]

I know you are in your IAM headquarters, please tell me why the baggage handlers at NWA crossed AMFA while they were on strike? Just that!!!

Fisr of all the IAM Headquarters is in Upper Marlboro, MD and I live in North Carolina as many posters know.

So tell me how I am in two places at once?

There is bad blood betweeen the IAM and Amfa.

Same reason the ALPA, PFAA and every other union at NWA crossed.

Why did ibt represented Flight Attendants and Dispatchers at Champion Air fly flights for NWA since they had too many broken planes and no enough mechanics to fix them?

You have some serious obsession issues, if you make an accusation about me back it up with facts.

Call UPS' EAP program and get some help.

 

[Skymess]

[quote name='Nor'Easta' post='378347' date='May 6 2006, 04:31 PM']And what does this topic have to do with TWA? Nothing![/quote]


I understood her point. She was basically warning the Jet Blue people not to go IAM just to have a union. She was advocating an independent union with an affiliation to a large union first.

I just don't happen to completely agree with her regarding the whose name on the door, regarding unions, being important. In my opinion it is whose name is on the door, i.e. what union, as well as whose name is on the door regarding your President and Board of Directors as well. God knows my little independant union cares only about trip removals and maintaining headcount on the property for membership dues to use for trip removals.

 

[NewHampshire Black Bears]

Time to get REAL...realistic folks.

As bad as things are right now with labor, in the long run, B6 rampers will still be better off with a union.

After all here, we're talking about a busy airline, who's MAJOR/only hub is in New York City(Queens borough).

Large company's with a large segment of its workers performing manual labor, in NY, don't remain Non-Union very long !!!

(B6, just don't vote in the TWU) !!!


NH/BB's

 

[Skymess]

Time to get REAL...realistic folks.

As bad as things are right now with labor, in the long run, B6 rampers will still be better off with a union.

After all here, we're talking about a busy airline, who's MAJOR/only hub is in New York City(Queens borough).

Large company's with a large segment of its workers performing manual labor, in NY, don't remain Non-Union very long !!!

(B6, just don't vote in the TWU) !!!
NH/BB's

Yes, let's get real. If Jet Blue doesn't want a union they can always hire a bunch of illegals to work for 3 dollars an hour with no breaks. Shouldn't be hard to do in Queens. And since the local politicians seem to be for it, and for anything Jet Blue, it is doubtful they would get in trouble for it.

 

[QA4Jet-A]

Yes, let's get real. If Jet Blue doesn't want a union they can always hire a bunch of illegals to work for 3 dollars an hour with no breaks. Shouldn't be hard to do in Queens. And since the local politicians seem to be for it, and for anything Jet Blue, it is doubtful they would get in trouble for it.

Yes, let's get real. If Jet Blue doesn't want a union they can always hire a bunch of illegals to work for 3 dollars an hour with no breaks. They probably have them in place already. If you want to checkout what B6 JFK Ramp workers are like, go to www.d***headbosses.com and click on New York. It is disgusting and paints a pic worth that $3.00 an hour.

 

[exnw]

Ramp Workers may file for Union vote.
http://www.newyorkbusiness.com/news.cms?id=13542

Jet Blue.....Welcome to the real world of aviation.
It's about time.

 

[Dizel8]

They probably have them in place already. If you want to checkout what B6 JFK Ramp workers are like, go to www.d***headbosses.com and click on New York. It is disgusting and paints a pic worth that $3.00 an hour.

I must agree, that site is not for the fainthearted and the posters appears more like movie thugs than actual people, but such is often the behaviour on an anonymous BB.

Oh well, based on the level of intelligence displayed, I would say the IAM is quite neccesary.

 

[brown]

IAM Petitions for vote GO IAM!

Before you vote IAM make sure you won't have to vote twice like USAirways workers did with the scab IAM union.

Ask why the scab IAM is crossing picket lines at NWA>

 

[CruiseO]

The National Mediation Board (NMB) today dismissed the petition filed by the International Association of Machinists and Aerospace Workers (IAM), which sought to have an election for representation among our Ground Operations, Provisioning and related-position Crewmembers. The NMB dismissed the IAM’s petition because the IAM failed to show that at least 35% of the eligible Crewmembers supported holding an election, which is the minimum showing required by the NMB.