JFK 737

[kirkpatrick]

How many pax does the 738 hold? and whats the max range on it?

AA's config is 16 FC and 144 CO. The older ones have only 132 in the back but are being converted to the new configuration. They have to remove galley cart modules and move the lavs further back.

Maybe one of the pilots can answer the range question, but I know it does transcons very easily.

MK

 

[eolesen]

Even some our 737's are getting up there in age. The first ones have been around for 15 years or so.

Uh, no. First delivery was in 1999.

I'd rather have a new car and work a DC-3 than drive an old car and work a new plane and I dont think I'm just the .01% of the workforce that feels that way.

Your passengers think otherwise, and thats who pays the bills and your salary.

If there were more guys like Bob in airline planning jobs, railroads would still be carrying most of the domestic passenger traffic.

 

[Frank Szabo]

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If there were more guys like Bob in airline planning jobs, railroads would still be carrying most of the domestic passenger traffic.

Not that I agree with Bob, but depending more on rail travel and freight would be rather nice.

It certainly wouldn't keep fuel usage up where the oil company execs would like it but ...

 

[Interested]

Uh, no. First delivery was in 1999.

1st Heavy check 5 years after we got them. Second heavy check 6 years later. And it's been a couple years since the first ones rolled through their 2nd heavy. Unless, AA's been bringing them in way early.

 

[N288AA]

1st Heavy check 5 years after we got them. Second heavy check 6 years later. And it's been a couple years since the first ones rolled through their 2nd heavy. Unless, AA's been bringing them in way early.

According to the FAA website N901AN (3AA), the year of manufacture is 1999.

 

[FWAAA]

1st Heavy check 5 years after we got them. Second heavy check 6 years later. And it's been a couple years since the first ones rolled through their 2nd heavy. Unless, AA's been bringing them in way early.

You've just lost track of time, that's all.

Thanks to the Wayback Machine, here's the AA press release heralding the debut of 737-800 service on March 2, 1999:

http://web.archive.org/web/20000708093232/www.amrcorp.com/news/mar0299a.htm

The 738s began service at AA around the same time as the 777s.

In the press release, AA claimed that the 738 range was about 2,600nm or about 2,990 statute miles. More range than the transcon-challenged A320s and A321s flown by some other airlines.

At delivery, they were configured 20F/126Y as they were direct replacements for the 727-200s which seated 150 or so.

During the MRTC era, AA's 738s were configured 20F/114Y for a total capacity of just 134. Now, 16F/144Y. Amazing that there's room to squeeze in 30 additional coach seats over the MRTC configuration. Glad I'm almost always up front or if not, in an exit row.

 

[boston]

Even some our 737's are getting up there in age. The first ones have been around for 15 years or so.

There at just a little over 10yrs

 

[boston]

How many pax does the 738 hold? and whats the max range on it?

147 and 159 for the new aircraft coming on line. Min crew for the 147 pax is 3 but on INT AA policy and bid at 4, the new ones of course are min crew of 4. The 737-800 has a transcon range plus and Alaska/CAL-UAL are currently flying it from the west coast to Hawaii. Lufthansa was flying it from Dussledorf-Newark.

My 737 pilots were just talking about thatt eh word on the street is we may be flying it to Hawaii soon, I'd love it but only in additon to the current schedule.

 

[Maark767]

I worked JFK-SJC on 37's quite a bit, 231 was the trip number IIRC.

I stand corrected. AA did use 737s on JFK-SJC.

 

[Interested]

You've just lost track of time, that's all.

Guess time flies when your having fun!!!!

Thinking back the first heavy was at 5 years and the second was another 5 years. After we did several Heavy 2's, it got approved to extend them another year.

 

[Skymess]

Why are employees against 738s replacing MD-80s? From my limited understanding, it seems if anything the 738 provides more work and pay to the employees since it requires 4 FAs vs. 3 on the MD-80 and the cockpit pay is slightly higher. Why do some on this board dislike it?

S80 and 737 have their uses for different reasons for FAs.

S80 is a tiny, toy, airplane. It is easier to work in the back in terms of work load because you only do beverages and sell snacks. It is harder to work back there when the service is over because there is no room and the passengers have nothing better to do than visit the lav 8 times each because there is no IFE. As a result the FAs in the back are crammed in the tailcone, near the stinky lavs, with at least 3-4 passengers hovering over them while they wait for the lav.

S80 First Class FAs work harder because they are doing beverages, drinks, desserts, drink refills, and pilot trays. Then it is right about when you think you are done, and finally get to eat your own breakfast/lunch/dinner, the pilots call you for a potty break because THEY are done with their food or the passengers who decided they didn't want to eat decide they want it at that moment. Basically, your work is never over working narrowbody first. It's a good work out though.

737 F class galley is so tiny and cramped that working up there is frustrating. It was desinged with lilliputians in mind.

737 coach is wonderful to work.

 

[WorldTraveler]

According to published schedule data, AA has increased the number of seats per day from JFK by about 2000 seats/day this December compared to a year ago. Widebody flights are about flat but narrowbody seats have increased through the equivalent of about 4 new 757s/day and 9 new 738s. There are 3 fewer MD80s per day so there has clearly been an increase in seats through upgauging.

It makes all the sense in the world for AA to use larger, more efficient aircraft in one of the most competitive markets in the US right now.

 

[PHL]

The 430pm JFK-LAS recently switched from a 757 to a 738. Then another frequency was added at 725pm as a 757. I'd love to see one of them turn around and do a red eye back to JFK. It looks like they both RON and go back the next morning.

 

[star power]

I heard a rumor yesterday that AA was in talks with Boeing about another order of Boeing 737-800. The new order would be for 55 frim aircraft plus 25 options, on top of the 35 Boeing 737-800s schedule for deliveries during the first half of 2011.

The new order would be the the Boeing 737-800 with the enhance performance package, with the option to convert the order to Boeing 737-900ER with the enhance performance package. The aircraft deliveries would start in the 2Q 2012 at a rate of one every seven days.

It would looks like the Boeing 737-900ER would be used on the NYC, BOS, DCA to ORD, DFW, MIA, and other south FL routes, with the Wright Amendment going away in 2014 and with the DAL airport re-modeled almost completed by 2014, maybe AA would fly a few Boeing 737-900ER out of DFW and/or DAL to DCA, because WN is going to ask the DOT to increase the perimeter restriction miles from 1250 miles to 1400 miles, to get AUS, SAT well within the in limitation, or WN would ask for some beyond-perimeter slot exemptions, to AUS, SAT.

 

[damajagua]

I hope that rumor become reality