JFK Terminal 8 Evacuated

[Veritas]

WSJ - JFK Security Breach Causes Delays:

The security breach, which occurred before 3:30 p.m., involved a passenger who had gotten off a flight from Orlando in Kennedy's Terminal 8, according to Steve Coleman, a press officer for the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, which operates the airport. The man opened a door that was supposed to be used only by airport workers and walked through. He was captured by security cameras, Mr. Coleman said, but was not found and is presumed to have found a way out of the terminal.

The Transportation Security Administration said its agents and Port Authority police were searching for man.

All travelers at Kennedy's Terminal 8, which was closed from about 4 p.m. to about 6 p.m., had to leave the terminal so they could be re-screened. Terminal 8 handles both domestic and international flights for American Airlines. A spokesman for the airline, Charley Wilson, said some flights were delayed.

 

[MERV]

WSJ - JFK Security Breach Causes Delays:

Security in our airports are under the microscope. They're looking more and more like a joke. This one cant be blame on TSA it goes under terminal security. Cameras are good but if you don't have foot patrol or have security guard in that area responds will be slow. They'll loose the person /pax by time they reach to that area in the terminal.

 

[goodgirl37]

Security in our airports are under the microscope. They're looking more and more like a joke. This one cant be blame on TSA it goes under terminal security. Cameras are good but if you don't have foot patrol or have security guard in that area responds will be slow. They'll loose the person /pax by time they reach to that area in the terminal.

To be honest, our security in this country is such a joke. There are different rules for every airport, heck, in Vegas you dont even have to go through security as a crewmember, however in other airports you do. In TLV, you are under the microscope constantly, If you go to IAD, there is nothing but Mid Easterners working security. Sometimes, I just have to laugh it, it is such a joke.

 

[Skymess]

Security in our airports are under the microscope. They're looking more and more like a joke. This one cant be blame on TSA it goes under terminal security. Cameras are good but if you don't have foot patrol or have security guard in that area responds will be slow. They'll loose the person /pax by time they reach to that area in the terminal.

We found out about the breach during our flight yesterday and landed at about 1730. I waited on the ramp in a holding area from 1730 until 2030 thanks to that clown and thanks to lax security. The passengers were all asking about the breach and connecting flights and wanted food and water for the ENTIRE 3 hours.

There should be someone stationed by all doors that have access from the outside to make sure this doesn't happen. There should have been a guard there or the door should have been bolted to prevent that from happening.


I also lost a trip for today because my sit time made me illegal for my trip today. I'm not too pleased today, as you can all imagine. The trip yesterday was supposed to be an easy pick up trip for extra money. The trip today was the money maker and I had big plans that are ruined.

 

[tech2101]

There should be someone stationed by all doors that have access from the outside to make sure this doesn't happen. There should have been a guard there or the door should have been bolted to prevent that from happening.

Do you know how many doors there are at airports? Are you willing to raise ticket prices or pay more taxes to hire an extra 100 people a day at the large airports to stand by the doors that are not normally used and are alarmed?

You cannot bolt doors shut, as most are fire exits. If there was a fire and one of those doors was bolted shut, the TSA/Airport incompetence thread on this board would be much larger than this one...

 

[FWAAA]

The LA Times reported that someone opened a restricted access door outside the Flagship Lounge. That would be upstairs and across from gate 12. Do any doors on that mezzanine level connect the airside to the non-sterile side? If not, the terminal evacuation and rescreening was a massive over-reaction (not a rare event these days).

 

[jimntx]

You cannot bolt doors shut, as most are fire exits. If there was a fire and one of those doors was bolted shut, the TSA/Airport incompetence thread on this board would be much larger than this one...

True, but up until recently at DFW, they had someone sitting outside each door leaving the secured area unless that exit was right next to a TSA-controlled entry into the secured area. They were employees of the same company that provides wheelchair escorts at DFW; so, I'm sure they were being paid at or near minimum wage. (Interestingly enough, at most of those doors the civilian assigned to watch the door was a Moslem woman (not necessarily, Middle Eastern) in full headdress and floorlength robe.)

Now, those doors are no longer guarded by a person, but they have signs on the airside saying "This exit closed. Go to Gate whatever to exit the secured area." These doors have VERY loud alarms on them, and none of them lead directly to outdoors--most of them are located relatively near a ticket counter.

 

[The Goose]

If the USA would simply pattern the security after that in Tel Aviv, for instance, there'd be few problems, except perhaps with ACLU types - they could quickly be dealt with.

How often do we hear about a problem with Israel's airports?

 

[Hatu]

If the USA would simply pattern the security after that in Tel Aviv, for instance, there'd be few problems, except perhaps with ACLU types - they could quickly be dealt with.

How often do we hear about a problem with Israel's airports?

"How often do we hear about a problem with Israel's airports?"

You mean Israeli airport (singular). As you said pattern security after the Tel Aviv airport (again singular). We seem to have many more airports in this country. One might rip the ACLU types for overprotecting personal privacy but unless one wants to greatly raise our tax rates their is no money to pay for the manpower and technology upgrades to security that would be needed to cover all our airports with the security they have in Tel Aviv.

Also, U.S. airports are much busier than the airport in Tel Aviv. If we pattern our security after theirs, pax. lines in ATL will strech to ORD.

 

[Hatu]

NEW YORK (AP) — The man returning from Haiti who walked through a restricted door and set off an alarm at John F. Kennedy Airport has told police he went through the door by mistake.

An official familiar with the case against Jules Paul Bouloute said Sunday that the 57-year-old told police he went to the wrong door by mistake while trying to exit the airport. The official was not authorized to comment publicly and spoke to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity.

The breach delayed dozens of flights and caused headaches for hundreds of travelers who had to exit the terminal and wait for hours while police swept through the building. Bouloute was arrested on a charge of criminal trespass. He was scheduled to be arraigned Sunday evening.

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/nationwor...0,7622238.story

 

[joanne]

If the USA would simply pattern the security after that in Tel Aviv, for instance, there'd be few problems, except perhaps with ACLU types - they could quickly be dealt with.

How often do we hear about a problem with Israel's airports?

I argued your point ad nauseum right after 911, but was ridiculed.
So now we find ourselves moving ever so closer to a serious "type" of security somewhat like the Israeli's.

After the next air disaster(which will come)(and darn near came last month) Maybe.............JUST Maybe we'll smarten up !

 

[Barfbag]

If the USA would simply pattern the security after that in Tel Aviv, for instance, there'd be few problems, except perhaps with ACLU types - they could quickly be dealt with.

How often do we hear about a problem with Israel's airports?

When the TSA receives $ 114 Billion Tax Payer Dollars, then we'll start comparing the two:

http://wrmea.org/component/content/article...14-billion.html

 

[The Goose]

I argued your point ad nauseum right after 911, but was ridiculed.
So now we find ourselves moving ever so closer to a serious "type" of security somewhat like the Israeli's.

After the next air disaster(which will come)(and darn near came last month) Maybe.............JUST Maybe we'll smarten up !

I disagree with you - you're falling into step - what group of "idiots" would line a chap's drawers with some manner of explosive knowing full well it won't go "bang" without at least a blasting cap? Granted - once plastic is lit and THEN receives a concussion of some sort, it will go bang - there were more than a few soldiers in 'Nam who lost feet by trying to stomp out a fire made with this stuff after heating their rations. What a thought - light your drawers on fire then slap yourself in the 'nads once it gets going good - ouch - better do it right the first time, eh?

C4, and probably the stuff in this clown's skivvies makes an excellent (with rather poisonous fumes) substitute for Sterno if one needs an emergency fire but it won't detonate - all this fool succeeded in doing was roasting his family jewels. That's all it took to tighten USA security because of something another country didn't do on a flight that didn't originate here.

Smell a rat yet? A big and ugly SOB that looks like Cheney?

The same for the "shoe bomber" - he didn't have (according any reports I've read) a detonator, just some manner of plastic, more likely some PE4 or DEMEX (I believe he flew in from Britain) - same story.

Plastique (and det cord) are loads of fun to play with if one knows what he or she is doing with it and virtually harmless when given to a fool willing to take one for the "team".

You needn't worry unless somebody begins to dismantel the TSA - then things will begin to happen.

 

[MERV]

The majority of the airports in US just entrances and exists from the gate area are under TSA control the rest is done by private security that terminal has. That why its so easy to exist to AOA. Employees and security suppose to keep an eye for all exist and entrance of the terminal.