Keep Delta My Delta

[A330US]

777s probably arent abundant, but i think 8 is good enough, just like 9 of our A330s =)

 

[brokenwrench]

777s probably arent abundant, but i think 8 is good enough, just like 9 of our A330s =)

B777-200 in Delta Fleet

Owned - 8
Total - 8
Orders - 5
Options -20

 

[WorldTraveler]

NHBB,
once again you are wrong.

DL does have the legal right to file its own plan of reorganization even if the creditors do not support them. But it really won't be too hard to convince anyone that DL can do a better job running itself than US can do. US hasn't even finished its merger - and writes off labor integration as a tiny little item on its to-do list when everyone knows that is by far the hardest thing to complete in a merger.

Yes, DL employees may well be brainwashed but they have faired better than most other airline's employees for years. And despite the cuts that they have taken over the past couple years, they are still higher paid on average than any other current or recently bankrupt airline's employees. DL employees are not fools - that's why they have shot down any further union representation time and time again. No one at any other airline can understand how DL and its employees can manage to work together the way they do. Maybe that's why they are willing to fight to save their company while others have rolled over and let management impose whatever plan they want. DL employees will be present at the table when the pie is cut with bennies in the reorganized DL.

And don't you dare underestimate DL employees ability to shut down their airline than work for a corporate raider. Government leaders and financiers will walk away from a deal faster than a 2 year old's hand comes off frying pan when DL employees demonstrate how they will scuttle any attempts to take over their company.

 

[PhxMama]

NHBB,
once again you are wrong.

DL does have the legal right to file its own plan of reorganization even if the creditors do not support them. But it really won't be too hard to convince anyone that DL can do a better job running itself than US can do. US hasn't even finished its merger - and writes off labor integration as a tiny little item on its to-do list when everyone knows that is by far the hardest thing to complete in a merger.

Yes, DL employees may well be brainwashed but they have faired better than most other airline's employees for years. And despite the cuts that they have taken over the past couple years, they are still higher paid on average than any other current or recently bankrupt airline's employees. DL employees are not fools - that's why they have shot down any further union representation time and time again. No one at any other airline can understand how DL and its employees can manage to work together the way they do. Maybe that's why they are willing to fight to save their company while others have rolled over and let management impose whatever plan they want. DL employees will be present at the table when the pie is cut with bennies in the reorganized DL.

And don't you dare underestimate DL employees ability to shut down their airline than work for a corporate raider. Government leaders and financiers will walk away from a deal faster than a 2 year old's hand comes off frying pan when DL employees demonstrate how they will scuttle any attempts to take over their company.

Do you really think Delta employees would shut the company down? When would they do this and what would they hope to accomplish? If in the end(and a big IF) there was a merger with US do you think this would help employee/employee relations within the new company or would the US employees be so p***ed off would they rally for the staple job? All in all, I guess I dont see how a work stoppage or negative attitude and work ethic would further their career or lead to pay increases. DP is not a stupid man and if this happened who do you think DP would rather have departed from the "new" Delta, these types of employees or US employees who have withstood this sometimes savage industry and yet still conduct themselves with dignity and pride today? If this merger happens I suggest everyone look forward to working together and being part of the boldest step taken in recent avaition history. Everyone said consolidation was necessary for the survival of this industry and DP had the guts and brains to take the initiative. Yes, HP/US merger has still not been completed and yes lots and lots or hard work ahead but I believe most of the employees understand the sacrifice and can see the big picture. DP is a leader and whether you like the path he has chosen thats hard to ignore. It will be interesting and even if the merger happens there is a bright future ahead for the hard working dedicated employees of Delta and their passengers. My best to all involved.

 

[ralphcramden]

we want your 767s and 777s !!!!!
=)

Don't anyone bite on this provocative BS. "A330US" is the teenage son of some CLT mechanic.

 

[WorldTraveler]

phx mama,
you truly are naive. DP is interested in nothing except what he can line his own pockets with. Pay raises? Are you nuts? US employees are the lowest paid in the industry and are threatening job actions to get back some of the billions they have given up to make DP fat and happy.

Shut it down? You better believe DL employees will do it. They are smart enough to recognize con artists when they see them and they won't be a part of lining their pocketss.

 

[ralphcramden]

WT,

I wonder what you were smoking when you came up with this stuff. Your recent vacation was in Jamaica, perhaps?


<<<<DL does have the legal right to file its own plan of reorganization even if the creditors do not support them.>>>>

Yes, and the creditors have the right to vote it down if they don't support them. So what's your point?



<<<<But it really won't be too hard to convince anyone that DL can do a better job running itself than US can do.>>>>

Say what? The players who are impressed with Gerry's kids stewardship of Delta exist only in your fertile imagination. The Wall Street consensus on Dougie is a whole 'nother story.



<<<<And don't you dare underestimate DL employees ability to shut down their airline than work for a corporate raider. Government leaders and financiers will walk away from a deal faster than a 2 year old's hand comes off frying pan when DL employees demonstrate how they will scuttle any attempts to take over their company.>>>>

Time for another vacation. You have lost it completely. :blink:

 

[PhxMama]

phx mama,
you truly are naive. DP is interested in nothing except what he can line his own pockets with. Pay raises? Are you nuts? US employees are the lowest paid in the industry and are threatening job actions to get back some of the billions they have given up to make DP fat and happy.

Shut it down? You better believe DL employees will do it. They are smart enough to recognize con artists when they see them and they won't be a part of lining their pocketss.

I guess I am naive to think DP is a smart man. Is he profiting? Hell, yes he is. Do I think he wants to become the CEO of the largest most profitable airline in the world? Hell, yes he does. Do I think that he will increase employee wages as the company grows and that he wants his employees to be happy? Yes, and although that does sounds naiive what does he stand to gain with unhappy underpaid employees? He stands to lose more. DP became CEO of HP 1 week prior to 9/11. Look how far he has come and yes look how far he has to go true but wouldnt you like to be in his postion? He has the opportunity(if the merger goes thru) to run the largest and could be most successful airline in the US. Imagine his legacy if he increased wages as the airline became profitable and had well paid happy employess. Maybe a dream but who can blame me for putting it on my Christmas list. I know WT, you are truly against this merger and I can appreciate your concerns but what would be the end result for Delta employees shutting the airline down? I dont see that lining anyones pockets or putting food on an y ones table. JMHO.

 

[WorldTraveler]

Doug Parker has proven nothing. He has shrunk capacity in order to jack up fares.... a first year intern at any airline could tell you that would make money today. The problem is what you do about tomorrow. DP has no plan - NONE - for US to be viable long term. Wall Street is highly short term focused. Creditors are not - unless they get cash NOW. DP's offer of stock in US isn't worth much.

Yes, creditors do have to approve a POR but the process is still controlled by the company as long as the judge gives them the right of exclusivity.

No. I'm not crazy. I doubt we'll ever get to the point for DL employees to make known what they would do but the history of the airline industry OVERWHELMING shows that hostile takeovers do not work. DL and its employees will march hand in hand to make sure anyone that messes with either of their best interests knows anyone that participates in corporate raiding will lose their shirt. The little button campaign is not about emotions - it's about cold hard cash. And DL employees know full well how to bring it to a grinding halt.

 

[PhxMama]

All I can say is Thank God my financial situation is not based on the outcome of this situation! I can say that any first year intern can tell you that by decreasing seats fares will increase - pretty basic but then why is any airline in BK? Just delete seats and raise fares.(just kidding-its more complicated I know) It may be basic but Doug DID IT. He also helped put the HP/US merger together. No first year intern could do that and until you really know DP you have no idea how smart he really is. I respect brains and he has them. He's been CEO of HP since sep 01 and he had a plan for HP. Do you really think he has no plan for tomorrow, merger or no merger? I think you underestimate the man, something I would not be inclined to do.

 

[Fly]

WT, I have given you the benefit of the doubt so often, but I noticed immediately that you have taken the "attack" mode so quickly. Wow, You Lose. So sad.

Oh, did I mention that the last CEO of a "MAJOR" corporation was on my flight recently and he told everyone within earshot (to Europe, no less) how awful Delta was? It was sad, he hated the dirty planes, the ugly flight attendants and the terrible service. Good thing for United, we were right there to pick up the pieces. (sounds like the other majors are prepared to pick up the pieces of Delta any day soon too). No big loss, it's not a very good airline anyway (but I will lose those miles....drat).

 

[LCC_#1]

Doug Parker has proven nothing. He has shrunk capacity in order to jack up fares....

You THINK?? How many years have we heard that capacity needs to be reduced to increase fares?? Tell us something new, W.T. Trump.

 

[hp_fa]

"And don't you dare underestimate DL employees ability to shut down their airline than work for a corporate raider."

Are Carl Ichan or Kirk Kerkorian in the house?

"They are smart enough to recognize con artists when they see them and they won't be a part of lining their pocketss (sic)."

Perhaps maybe Charles Ponzi or Bernie Cornfeld?

"No. I'm not crazy."

I was thinking hysterical myself.

 

[MMB]

"And don't you dare underestimate DL employees ability to shut down their airline than work for a corporate raider."

Are Carl Ichan or Kirk Kerkorian in the house?

I wonder what Frank Lorenzo would say if someone were to ask him whether or not the employees can shut down the company.

I hear tempers are short and the meshing of work groups between AW and US isn’t going too well. They’ve even had to have security in some of the meetings to keep the two sides off each other’s throats.
If this does go through, I wonder what all the AW/US unions are going to do when they realize DP’s purpose was to bust the unions.
DP: “The deal’s done? Good. All those overlapping routes … dump the US flights and sell the planes. Tell those union thugs and the people they represent that their services are no longer needed.â€￾

 

[hp_fa]

After the jerking around the DL folks are getting enough of them in a combined workforce would probably vote in a union at this point.