Lets See What The Mechanics Do

[goingboeing]

Ah, good old IAM.  I'm just thrilled that my wife is a member.  Let's see, $30-40/month, every month, over the last 5 years or so (whenever it was her department joined the union) adds up to...

Well, glad to know they're on the ball.  I'm especially impressed with the excellent way they communicate news and the relevant points of important issues to their members.

-synchronicity

do these forums have a "sarcasm" html code?

[post="268503"][/post]​

To remind the readers of a history lesson it was the IAM at EAL that put the JERK Frank Lorenzo out of the airline business.
He was a bully in the same likeness as Tilton and the EAL employees had enough.He had the odacity to ask congress for another airline operating certificate and they told him hell no! He had already wrecked the careers of a lot of CAL employees before he crashed EAL into the ground.

 

[JungleClone]

goingboeing,

Are you seriously comparing Glen Tilton to Frank Lorenzo? You've got to be kidding me.

 

[delldude]

A stike vote will NOT pass at any of the crafts.

[post="268490"][/post]​

not enough balls..seen it at U........

 

[CapnCockroach]

What is "odacity"?

 

[synchronicity]

What is "odacity"?

[post="268769"][/post]​

I o da city for my parking tickets...

Oh, dat city? I dunno.

-synchronicity, audacious

 

[Tim Nelson]

since the afa hasen't followed through with thier threats . (not surprsing). let's see if the amfa has more cojones. everybody is talking about the f/a's but what about the mechanics?

[post="268372"][/post]​

United faces a situation different from US AIRWAYS. The mechanics at USair predominately worked in CLT and PIT and a $low wageball contract by US AIRWAYS was met with acceptance.

I have spoke to many UA mechanics and take this and the following for what it is worth.

HNL, SEA, LAX, SFO make up a vast majority of mechanics at United and the wages that United is trying to mirror from US AIRWAYS won't work in the 'high rent' culture that most of UA's mechanics work in. ORD isn't the cheapest place to live either but at any rate, the theme at United that I have not found at US AIRWAYS is that if United shut down then it wouldn't be as great a risk for the UA mechanics given the pension/health care/wage situation that United is asking for along with sick time, scope, etc.

As for amfa, I don't believe you will see a strike per se. I think a mirror of the IBT situation at Pan Am in 1990 or so will be most likely. And with the Post Charly Bryan [awesome labor man] era the IAM will settle for crumbs. Everyone knows that AFA will settle since they made the issue that they won't go if the BOD cleans up management. Chaos may be a reality though that could sink its teeth in the UA [mis]managers.

As for AMFA, working under the imposition as the IBT did at Pan Am will have managements ear in a big way. Pan Am was not able to secure the type of financial backing from investors until it closed all open contracts. Would you want to give $billions in financing if mechanics can walk out any ole flimsy time. Maybe ORD walks for one hour one day, then SFO walks for a whole day the next week.

Time will tell. Difficult situation indeed.

regards,

 

[JungleClone]

Nobody is going to strike. It won't come to that. The company will reach T/A's with both unions before Judge Wedoff rules. The unions will be allowed some measure of saving face while the company will get what it needs--for now. Because does anyone honestly think this is the last bite at the concession apple?

 

[767jetz]

Nobody is going to strike. It won't come to that. The company will reach T/A's with both unions before Judge Wedoff rules. The unions will be allowed some measure of saving face

[post="269011"][/post]​

I agree.

check out this article from the AP.

Notice this part in particular:

"The Machinists' union said recent progress pointed to a likely agreement by the time the trial ends next week, which would avert the need for a ruling likely to carry grave consequences for both the airline and its workers.

"The only place this is going to get resolved is at the bargaining table, not in the courtroom," said Randy Canale, president of IAM District 141, representing 20,000 United baggage handlers and ramp and public-contact workers."

 

[Bob Owens]

Nobody is going to strike. It won't come to that. The company will reach T/A's with both unions before Judge Wedoff rules. The unions will be allowed some measure of saving face while the company will get what it needs--for now. Because does anyone honestly think this is the last bite at the concession apple?

[post="269011"][/post]​

Last bite? Not if they get concessions.

The fact is just as I've been posting for the last three years here, once they start the only thing that will stop this is major strike activity.

With the AFL-CIO in turmoil,(it may lose a third of its membership) it may be forced to act if UAL workers strike. ALPA, IAM and AFA are all affiliated. The IAM lost over 25% of their membership over the last four years and the AFA had to join with the CWA to stay afloat. The IAM has been specifically targeted by the IBT for selling out workers.

Those that are threatening to leave claim that unions are becoming irrelevant, and should UAL crush its unions in a strike it would be hard to dispute that. The RLA allows for secondary strikes and it allows striking workers covered under the RLA to set up pickets anywhere other workers who are under the RLA operate. The IAM threatened to us this approach back at EAL but backed off when a Judge ordered them not to. If todays leaders make the same mistake of allowing Judges to over-rule legislated rights then the members have no hope. Unions were founded by leaders who were willing to tell judges where to stick their injunctions. The Judges would jail them for doing so but that would only galvinize the workforce and increase sympathy. Todays leaders, with their six figure salaries are normally too terrified of drawing too much attention to themselves to do anything like that but with all that is going on they may be forced to do something.

 

[767jetz]

The fact is just as I've been posting for the last three years here, once they start the only thing that will stop this is major strike activity.

[post="269101"][/post]​

We know that you, like many others outside of UA, wish that would happen.

Tell you what... we'll let UA navigate it's way out of this one, and when the tide reaches AA and Delta and Northwest, we'll cheer you guys on as you "take a stand" and strike yourselves out of existence. :down:

 

[luv2fly]

We know that you, like many others outside of UA, wish that would happen.

Tell you what... we'll let UA navigate it's way out of this one, and when the tide reaches AA and Delta and Northwest, we'll cheer you guys on as you "take a stand" and strike yourselves out of existence. :down:

[post="269233"][/post]​

Don't blame the "other outsiders" for the strike talk. Last time I checked, AA, DL, and NW weren't the ones threatening strike. You might want to talk to your own unions. After all, that is where all this talk started right?

 

[767jetz]

Don't blame the "other outsiders" for the strike talk. Last time I checked, AA, DL, and NW weren't the ones threatening strike. You might want to talk to your own unions. After all, that is where all this talk started right?

[post="269254"][/post]​

I don't have a problem with the strike talk. Everyone knows it's union posturing. And as several reports are now indicating, progress is being made on negotiations. In the end there will be no strike, and the unions will walk away with some small victory in order to save face.

What I do have a problem with is the employees of other airlines trying to stir the emotions of my fellow UA employees, hoping to have some influence on the outcome.

I also have a problem with the way they loathe the thought of UA making a comeback, and hope against hope that a strike will actually happen and take UA out of the picture to save their own sorry rear-ends.

I liken them to the pathetic individuals who see a person on the ledge of a tall building and shout out for the person to jump, just for their own sick personal entertainment.

And for those people all I have to say is that what goes around comes around.

 

[luv2fly]

What I do have a problem with is the employees of other airlines trying to stir the emotions of my fellow UA employees, hoping to have some influence on the outcome.

[post="269352"][/post]​

Do you really believe that the posters on these boards will somehow influence UA employees to strike? If the majority of the employees feel as you do, you nothing to worry about. We all know it is not going to happen.

 

[nwa400]

Ladies and gentlemen,

My best friend is a UAL pilot. I am an NWA pilot. I wish both airlines and the employees the best. I resent it very much that the broad brush of criticism is used when talking about the employees of many airlines. Dont you guys see that management wants us to fight and be disgruntled. There are some on this board that like nothing more than to have us all hate each other. That is sick. I have seen one in particular spout his hatred and it sickens me. Lets use this board to give facts and lift each other up. Hate is not the way to go. Let those who spout hatred not receive one comment and maybe they will get board and move on to another web site. Wishing all employees the best......

 

[Emil.Howes]

Last bite? Not if they get concessions.

The fact is just as I've been posting for the last three years here, once they start the only thing that will stop this is major strike activity.

With the AFL-CIO in turmoil,(it may lose a third of its membership) it may be forced to act if UAL workers strike. ALPA, IAM and AFA are all affiliated. The IAM lost over 25% of their membership over the last four years and the AFA had to join with the CWA to stay afloat. The IAM has been specifically targeted by the IBT for selling out workers.

Those that are threatening to leave claim that unions are becoming irrelevant, and should UAL crush its unions in a strike it would be hard to dispute that. The RLA allows for secondary strikes and it allows striking workers covered under the RLA to set up pickets anywhere other workers who are under the RLA operate. The IAM threatened to us this approach back at EAL but backed off when a Judge ordered them not to. If todays leaders make the same mistake of allowing Judges to over-rule legislated rights then the members have no hope. Unions were founded by leaders who were willing to tell judges where to stick their injunctions. The Judges would jail them for doing so but that would only galvinize the workforce and increase sympathy. Todays leaders, with their six figure salaries are normally too terrified of drawing too much attention to themselves to do anything like that but with all that is going on they may be forced to do something.

[post="269101"][/post]​

Bob,

Thanks for the support!!!
There are 'few' that see this scenario.

-BigE