Looks Like There's A Crack In The Defenses

[Blackdog]

http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/050907/northwest_mechanics.html?.v=4

Northwest has contacted AMFA to restart talks! I guess the public wasn't buying their "Alls well" face they were displaying or the threat of a FAA shutdown of the airline made them think twice about the logic of destroying a major union on the property. Either way, You Go AMFA...Early congrats to you!

 

[AMFAMAN]

http://wcco.com/local/local_story_250130119.html

Oberstar Offers To Mediate NWA, Mechanics Talks


I guess he finally woke up and found out that it's not in his best interest to go along with the AFL-CIO Sweeney led union-busting campaign.

 

[WNjetdoc]

Yea they are going back to the table, however Im sure you know they are offering a worse contract than the last one?

Its all a dog and pony show.

 

[Boomer]

Yea they are going back to the table, however Im sure you know they are offering a worse contract than the last one?

Its all a dog and pony show.

[post="298039"][/post]​

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NWA and the Union Busters screwed up!

Almost all Legal Scholars agree that a Judge imposing a Management contract under 1113 of the BK Code will result in a strike; but, Everyone agrees that there is no case law, "on-point." Further, no one wants to be anywhere near supporting a Judge requiring Union Members to become slaves under a Court Order requiring them to report to work under a Union Contract imposed by a Judge.

However, no one agrees that any Bankruptcy Judge can order striking Union Workers back to work under a Court Ordered Contract after the strike has begun.

NWA is imploding due to investigations begun by the IG and now forced upon the FAA. The Inspectors at the FAA are beginning to crack and can no longer hold back what they have reported to the FAA but the FAA has failed to acknowledge.

GW is under fire for his Administrations' performance in New Orleans, and cannot take a ValueJet impact. NWA may find themselves alone.

Mid terms are coming and everyone needs something to run on, or something to deflect criticism.

 

[coolflyingfool]

I think NWA is really saying that they are willing to talk because NWA NEEDS the mechanics back, desperately. How long does it take to become an a/c mechanic? 4 months in TUS won't cut it. I am sure the FAA is growing tired of Johnny Hayseed from middle on nowhere working on B747s when the biggest thing he had seen was a Cessna 172. Just my thoughts...........

 

[eolesen]

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NWA and the Union Busters screwed up!

Almost all Legal Scholars agree that a Judge imposing a Management contract under 1113 of the BK Code will result in a strike; but, Everyone agrees that there is no case law, "on-point." Further, no one wants to be anywhere near supporting a Judge requiring Union Members to become slaves under a Court Order requiring them to report to work under a Union Contract imposed by a Judge.

[post="298046"][/post]​

Well, I think union members at UAL and USAir will probably disagree with you. Almost all of the unions threatened to strike if their contracts were arbrogated, yet neither judge flinched when it came time to tear them up. Granted, it's not an exact match for case law, but if NWA follows thru with hiring replacement workers, it may be a moot point.

 

[Boomer]

Well, I think union members at UAL and USAir will probably disagree with you. Almost all of the unions threatened to strike if their contracts were arbrogated, yet neither judge flinched when it came time to tear them up. Granted, it's not an exact match for case law, but if NWA follows thru with hiring replacement workers, it may be a moot point.

[post="298050"][/post]​

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Take off the AA Management Underwear, the Secret Pension Decoder Ring, and back slowly away from the koolAAid...keep the cape for a blanky;

I should have said that almost all Legal Scholars agree that a strike arising from a Judicially Imposed Contract under 1113 of the BK code for *Unions* covered under the RLA will result in a legal strike.

The fact remains that there is no case law "on-point" with respect to that decision; however, no one agrees that any Bankruptcy Judge can order striking Union Workers back to work under a Court Ordered Contract after the strike has begun.

NWA is imploding due to investigations begun by the IG and now forced upon the FAA. The Inspectors at the FAA are beginning to crack and can no longer hold back what they have reported to the FAA but the FAA has failed to acknowledge.

GW is under fire for his Administrations' performance in New Orleans, and cannot take a ValueJet impact. NWA may find themselves alone.

Mid terms are coming and everyone needs something to run on, or something to deflect criticism.

 

[PlayTheOdds]

75% loss of jobs 28% pay cut? Yea Northwest is really tired of Johnny Hayseed. Northwest made me an offer yesterday that I reluctantly turned down. Had they made it in my hometown I would have accepted it in a heartbeat. AMFA really screwed this one to the wall. Game over gentleman. If you don't come back by the 13th you won't be coming back to the same position you left. If you come back after the 13th a SCAB will have seniority over you. Some of you people need to go back and read some of your posts, when your done you need to through your crystal ball away. It probably says built by AMFA on it anyway which just lost all credibility. If anyone pays a single month of union dues after today is a absolute fool.

 

[WNjetdoc]

75% loss of jobs 28% pay cut? Yea Northwest is really tired of Johnny Hayseed. Northwest made me an offer yesterday that I reluctantly turned down. Had they made it in my hometown I would have accepted it in a heartbeat. AMFA really screwed this one to the wall. Game over gentleman. If you don't come back by the 13th you won't be coming back to the same position you left. If you come back after the 13th a SCAB will have seniority over you. Some of you people need to go back and read some of your posts, when your done you need to through your crystal ball away. It probably says built by AMFA on it anyway which just lost all credibility. If anyone pays a single month of union dues after today is a absolute fool.

[post="298056"][/post]​

I think its game over if more and more AMT's cross. I know its easy for those not directly involved to play armchair quarterback, however I've been in your shoes while I was at U. It sucks.

I feel for you guys at NWA, stay strong dude.

 

[proAMFA]

NWA needs to cut cost and do it fast. They must have the "AMFA problem" out of their hair fast. Soon they will have to negotiate in earnest with the Flight Attendants and Ground Workers. If the AMFA problem is not taken care of it gives these two groups more leverage in their talks. If AMFA at NWA has collapsed either through an agreement (not very likely) or through a loss of resolve these other groups now have lack of leverage, a condition the co salivates for. Are the new terms really worth going back too?

Stay Strong, the decisions you make today are the decisions you must live with for the rest of your lives.

 

[PlayTheOdds]

Was the original offer worth leaving? You guys continue to scream all or nothing but is that really the smart route to take? How can a union fight a company when it no longer represents the employees there? This strike was crucial to Northwest’s lets bust the union strategy. Does it make sense to do everything your opponent wants you to do for their plan to work? To accept the concessions would have been a blow to the union but by not accepting them the union was ousted by a major airline. End result AMFA is now much more crippled than it would have been, probably to the extent that it will not survive. You have to pick the battles that you can win not draw your most powerful weapon half cocked. You say AMFA has known about Northwest’s plan to break the union yet from what I have seen they did absolutely nothing to counter the move. Now what do you think is going to happen when another contract comes due with another airline? I strongly suggest you mechanics at other airlines dump AMFA and go beg the IAM to let you back in.

 

[local 12 proud]

PTO/KTO this post speaks volumes about who/what you are, now run back to your IAM master and beg them to take concessions so you can keep your job. Your a spinless jellyfish!

 

[Raptor]

PTO what difference would it make what Union they are in, they still would vote the same way, and act the same way, when a Union name changes the people don't change with it.

 

[PlayTheOdds]

Why did Northwest pick AMFA for the test waters of its union busting program? Because it was the weakest union of the lot. Therefore the easiest to break. In my opinion it was way to easy to break. If you guys belonged to the IAM do you really think this would have gone over so well? I don't think so.

 

[Raptor]

Why did Northwest pick AMFA for the test waters of its union busting program? Because it was the weakest union of the lot. Therefore the easiest to break. In my opinion it was way to easy to break. If you guys belonged to the IAM do you really think this would have gone over so well? I don't think so.

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Yes actually I do think it would have went over just as well, I think even if the Pilots go on strike the Airlines would have more trouble replacing them but they could and would be able to do it, everyone is replaceable and in the coming years I think we will see that is the case, I can understand Mechanics wanting to be in a Union of their own as a segregation thing but during hard times like now it really does not matter what Union you are in, I am in the TWU myself and I think all of us at AA could be replaced just like at Northwest regardless of what Union we are in.

If one of the other Unions go on strike we will see that is the case.

To be honest PTO it doesn't make that much differnce to me whether we have AMFA the TWU or no Union at this time.