Mesa Exploring Chapter 11

[BoeingBoy]

Except for the wholly-owned, the contract carrier owns/leases the planes.

Jim

 

[Old PSA]

Actually, this could be a blessing in disguise. US needs desperately to cut seats and flying. Dropping Mesa is a start. Personally, I think Air Wis is worse but when you're that undependable, does it really matter who's worst? US will have to shift flying around and adjust the flight schedule but we should have been doing this anyway. I have got to believe that there is some clause in the contract that would allow US to reduce or drop Air Wis. Even is it has a substantial penalty, it would be worth it with fuel prices as they are and where they are going. Tempe would have to make some major decisions and restructure how US flys. Many small cities close to big cities would have to be dropped completely. Medium cities would see a drop in significant drop in flights but a change to larger aircraft. Onr way or another, US must drop the small jets if US is to survive. If it takes another trip to bankrupcy, maybe thats the way to go. Only question there is, if US can find someone to fund the financial restart of it.

If US also played it's card right, they could cut service into LGA, hold unto the slots and use them for improved flow times. This could be coupled with a major PR effort to show that US is trying to solve the air traffic problems in the Northeast by upgrading aircraft and reducing flights.

 

[DASH8AV8R]

Management would just put the crj900 pilot pay up for the lowest bid between PSA and Piedmont. You know like last time. AKA shinny jet syndrome

Piedmont pilots will not sell their soul for jets, And we are old farts and can't fly those fancy lawn darts.

 

[InternationalShannon]

No this needs to stay here so we can all hate on them !!

That's the funniest thing you've ever said.

 

[YVINTERN]

As a former Mesa employee...I say Mesa needs to go or the leadership and the company needs to restructure...file CH11...and kick JO and his merrymen of thieves out.

 

[flyJOE]

US must drop the small jets if US is to survive. If it takes another trip to bankruptcy, maybe thats the way to go.

Would you really want to take a chance at what another bankruptcy would do? In this economic climate, a Ch 11 would be awful for employees and the lack of confidence from the public with another BK filing would likely push things towards a Ch 7.

 

[Crzipilot]

Also, the terms of BK has changed. That's why you saw delta and nw file about the same time, when they did. To sneak in under the changing of the bk laws. Don't remember what changed, but it's not as nice I believe....

 

[sharktooth]

Would you really want to take a chance at what another bankruptcy would do? In this economic climate, a Ch 11 would be awful for employees and the lack of confidence from the public with another BK filing would likely push things towards a Ch 7.

The "lack of confidence from the public" has very little to do with whether another BK filing would push things towards a CH 7. The taxpayer provided library system can help you understand what is going on, should you choose to take advantage of a socialized information source. If you don't, you can be as stupid as most any person claiming to be a Republican. Just sayin'.

It is what I tell speakers at our village meetings whining about "free internet access". I say, go to the library. It is free to the extent my tax dollar even pays for the printer and its output, as with most every district in the US. You want privacy? Roll your own.

 

[cynic]

Piedmont pilots will not sell their soul for jets, And we are old farts and can't fly those fancy lawn darts.

Most of the guys don't want to referee fights between the senior mamas who suddenly have to fly together.

 

[Rico]

Hate to break it to you, but anyone that is thinking that Mesa's downfall would lead to anything other than a reduction in flying at US Airways need their head examined.

Quite simply, the E-190's and Republic can and will replace the CRJ-900's, and the 50 seat flying that Mesa operates for US Airways will simply go away.

The most likely area of "growth" for anyone from Mesa going under, might be with the Dash 8's, but even then there is no guarantee that it would come to Piedmont (instead of a cheaper vendor)...

No, Delta's getting rid of Mesa because they don't need them at all. US Airways needs Mesa to a smaller degree, but not to the point at which it will not take advantage of the golden opportunity to reduce it's RJ fleet.

The only chance Mesa has is that in BK protection, US Airways cannot shed them. IF Mesa is able to find financing for a restructuring (good luck with that in today's credit market), you might see a Mesa version of what happened at US Airways in the past, where Mesa itself sheds it's 50 seaters, obtains stiff concessions from it's labor, and retools itself to fly only the 900 (and possibly the DHC8) at even cheaper rates than they offer now.

Doubt it.

 

[cynic]

The only chance Mesa has is that in BK protection, US Airways cannot shed them.

US has the right to cancel the contract if they declare bankruptcy.

 

[Redneck]

i thought PSA had or has some CRJ 900s in their fleet

PSA has 14 700's. PSA has been offered 900's three times by management and were told it was "take it or leave it" for 50 seat pay (200/700 blended rate) The pilot group of PSA voted no on the 900 proposal because the rate being offered was not commensurate with the size of the equipment.

The majority of PSA pilots would rather see 900's or more 190's on the mainline property and more jobs at mainline...where they belong.

 

[robbedagain]

thanks redneck i didnt know how that story went thanks again

 

[sharktooth]

US has the right to cancel the contract if they declare bankruptcy.

Is that an escape clause in the contract between MESA and US? Bankruptcy does not allow a corporation to cancel contracts or obligations willy-nilly.

 

[jimcfs]

Is that an escape clause in the contract between MESA and US? Bankruptcy does not allow a corporation to cancel contracts or obligations willy-nilly.

IIRC, isn't that how CCY-based US got out of its long term leases at PIT, right before they escaped the last BK?