What's new
By:

Monkey business in Philly?

Status
Not open for further replies.
This all brings back memories of 1989 with the US/PI merger. I worked ops at a large station, and knew of several incidents involving pilots from each side flipping the bird back and forth while passing by each other on the ramp. Then there was the bathroom walls as well. Funny back then it was a North/ South thing, and now its East/ West......
 
Pi brat said:
More of the "write 'em up, turn 'em in" culture.
Click to expand...

This is how the HP’ers culture is/was in the passenger service agent’s rank they could only get raises/shifts if they tattle tale and were the teacher’s pet
 
john john said:
This is how the HP’ers culture is/was in the passenger service agent’s rank they could only get raises/shifts if they tattle tale and were the teacher’s pet
Click to expand...

Thanks for bringing up the term, "culture", JJ. There is a culture clash of sorts between East and West. I guess it's a norm to cheat as we learned out West. All I have to do is point to key excerpts in what's known as the Bradford Letter. USAPA founder Stephen Bradford went attorney shopping to figure out a way to get out of binding arbitration.

This is a copy of the Bradford Letter which was used as evidence in the Addington trial.

Excerpts from the Bradford Letter:

On Saturday, June 9th in San Francisco I had a conversation regarding our case with Chris Katzenbach of Katzenbach and Khitikan, a labor law firm.

Key Quotes:

"I next specifically asked him about the formation of a new bargaining agent as an avenue of advance to get around this award."

""Could the America West pilots sue us" I asked, "if we pursue this course of action.""

"However, he cautioned, the language you use in setting up your new union and how you go about talking and writing about your solutions to this award can be used against you. You need to stress he positives of the new union and not dwell on the award. Don't give the other side a large body of evidence that the sole reason for the new union is to abrogate an arbitration, the Nicolau award, that in the opinions of most judges, should be allowed to stand due to no gross negligence or fraud."

"The Nicolau award won't die until ALPA dies."

"If there are mergers down the road then the award can come back if ALPA does. Seniority lives in the CBA so you need a new contract to go with the new union to solidify your claims. Can something be put in the contact to protect these claims, I asked."

Respectfully Submitted,

an aaapilots4fairness committee member

How can it be any clearer? Dumping ALPA was not because of some dissatisfaction with the union. Dumping ALPA was a strategy to cheat a process. The framework and intent is all spelled out in the Bradford Letter.

Yes, as my screen name implies, I feel cheated by a group who used it's majority to disenfranchise me and the pilots of the former America West. It all started with the forming of USAPA, the filing of RICO charges against our pilots and continues today with the overturned election and rerun which cost two West reps their positions on the appeals board. I conclude that the problem is not with the arbitrator or ALPA but rather the pilots who use the tyranny of the majority who may find themselves in the minority after a merger.

In conclusion, if this is a "culture clash" I much prefer the America West culture over the "East" culture based on my experiences thus far.

EAST CHEATS
 
Pi brat said:
I took it that you might be in maint. I didn't like the implication he made about our mechanics and stuck up for them. Sorry if I offended you.
Click to expand...

I wasn't offended, it was nice to see someone else stick up for mx, I also didn't like the implication. Thanks for the support
 
EastCheats said:
If I need to clean the windows, I don't call someone out to do it, if I see an old lady in a wheelchair in the jetway, I push her ll the way to baggage claim if I have to. If I see that a bag has fallen off the belt loader, I pick it up and give it to the baggage handler. If a gate agent needs to work with a customer, I'll watch the door for her, if an FA needs help gate checking bags, I'll do it.

I did not have to hit the books to do the right thing, Brat.
Click to expand...

Wow. EastCheats..... Are you kidding me. This is a UNION Airline. Mismanagement does not allow you to do someone else's (union employee's job) If I follow your logic, I should help out when needed. Well...... I work at USAirways as an A & P but at my second job I fly A320's. So if you are sick, running late, or on crew rest I should jump in the right seat for you. ( Yea, right seat.... cause a seasoned Capt. would not make this silly comment. ) Just because I am qualified to do your (UNION) job, I won't.

Oh by the way. If you are wondering why mechanics don't like you....... 1992, No support from ALPA.
 
phlgreaser said:
Wow. EastCheats..... Are you kidding me. This is a UNION Airline. Mismanagement does not allow you to do someone else's (union employee's job) If I follow your logic, I should help out when needed. Well...... I work at USAirways as an A & P but at my second job I fly A320's. So if you are sick, running late, or on crew rest I should jump in the right seat for you. ( Yea, right seat.... cause a seasoned Capt. would not make this silly comment. ) Just because I am qualified to do your (UNION) job, I won't.

Oh by the way. If you are wondering why mechanics don't like you....... 1992, No support from ALPA.
Click to expand...

Morning PG,

"UNION"=Usapa

union-An organized association of workers, often in a trade or profession, formed to protect and further their rights and interests.

We were an airlire with an union before the "UNION" pilots formed a club which extorts money from West pilots to evade their agreements, sue union pilots and rob West pilots of their elected positions so the "UNION" further their objectives to disefranchise union pilots.

My airline had an union before there was a "UNION"
 
You dont get it, he is talking about your blatant disregard for the scope language of the other unions on the property who's job you said you would gladly do, that is nothing more than what Jack London wrote about.
 
700UW said:
You dont get it, he is talking about your blatant disregard for the scope language of the other unions on the property who's job you said you would gladly do, that is nothing more than what Jack London wrote about.
Click to expand...

Morning 700,

Scope..I gargled so hard, it came out of my nose. Are you completely clueless?

Blantant disregard?

Would that not describe Usapa's failure to represent all the pilots US Airways?

I have a question. Do you like sports? There is something called a athetic supporter and there are people who support athletics. Athletic supporters protect nuts. Why do you continue to deny the wrongs done to the West pilot group by defending the "UNION" and the nuts who formed it by busting my union? Your repeated attempts to protect nuts make you well quailified to be a jockstrap. You are so blinded by your bias you should stop wearing that thing on your head.
 
EastCheats said:
If I need to clean the windows, I don't call someone out to do it, if I see an old lady in a wheelchair in the jetway, I push her ll the way to baggage claim if I have to. If I see that a bag has fallen off the belt loader, I pick it up and give it to the baggage handler. If a gate agent needs to work with a customer, I'll watch the door for her, if an FA needs help gate checking bags, I'll do it.

I did not have to hit the books to do the right thing, Brat.
Click to expand...
Jack London wrote about you!

I never said anything about USAPA nor ALPA, I clearly pointed out you would stab every other labor union and its members in the back.
 
700UW said:
Jack London wrote about you!

I never said anything about USAPA nor ALPA, I clearly pointed out you would stab every other labor union and its members in the back.
Click to expand...

No...You run round these boards implying you are an expert.

X..being an unknown quantity.

Spert..has to do with intermittent intervals.

700UW
Posted 12 August 2012 - 09:48 AM

Never been to A&P school cause I was never a mechanic, I was a stock clerk.
 
Local Local Lodge Trustee
Local Lodge Recording Secretary
Bylaw Committee
Local Lodge Editor (won numerous awards for my work)
Organizer, worked on US fleet and UA CSA Campaigns
Shop Steward for over 10 years
District 142 Communicator and rep.
Negotiating Committee Member
Attend Leadership I, II, Advanced Leadership and Train the Trainer
Web School
Basic and Advanced Editor Training.
Trained by the man who organized the IAM at US back in 1949 and many other educated and experienced union reps.

Whats your background?

And under the US CBA, is Mechanics, Stock Clerks and Utility.

One's classification has nothing to do with their experience and educational level and knowledge.

And you are still not addressing how you would stab your other union coworkers in the back.
 
EastCheats said:
Thanks for bringing up the term, "culture", JJ. There is a culture clash of sorts between East and West. I guess it's a norm to cheat as we learned out West. All I have to do is point to key excerpts in what's known as the Bradford Letter. USAPA founder Stephen Bradford went attorney shopping to figure out a way to get out of binding arbitration.

This is a copy of the Bradford Letter which was used as evidence in the Addington trial.

Excerpts from the Bradford Letter:

On Saturday, June 9th in San Francisco I had a conversation regarding our case with Chris Katzenbach of Katzenbach and Khitikan, a labor law firm.

Key Quotes:

"I next specifically asked him about the formation of a new bargaining agent as an avenue of advance to get around this award."

""Could the America West pilots sue us" I asked, "if we pursue this course of action.""

"However, he cautioned, the language you use in setting up your new union and how you go about talking and writing about your solutions to this award can be used against you. You need to stress he positives of the new union and not dwell on the award. Don't give the other side a large body of evidence that the sole reason for the new union is to abrogate an arbitration, the Nicolau award, that in the opinions of most judges, should be allowed to stand due to no gross negligence or fraud."

"The Nicolau award won't die until ALPA dies."

"If there are mergers down the road then the award can come back if ALPA does. Seniority lives in the CBA so you need a new contract to go with the new union to solidify your claims. Can something be put in the contact to protect these claims, I asked."

Respectfully Submitted,

an aaapilots4fairness committee member

How can it be any clearer? Dumping ALPA was not because of some dissatisfaction with the union. Dumping ALPA was a strategy to cheat a process. The framework and intent is all spelled out in the Bradford Letter.

Yes, as my screen name implies, I feel cheated by a group who used it's majority to disenfranchise me and the pilots of the former America West. It all started with the forming of USAPA, the filing of RICO charges against our pilots and continues today with the overturned election and rerun which cost two West reps their positions on the appeals board. I conclude that the problem is not with the arbitrator or ALPA but rather the pilots who use the tyranny of the majority who may find themselves in the minority after a merger.

In conclusion, if this is a "culture clash" I much prefer the America West culture over the "East" culture based on my experiences thus far.

EAST CHEATS
Click to expand...

Hey, Junior! You are HERE bitching about cheaters because the SCOTUS told you to buzz off from THERE.

CARRY ON!
 
700UW said:
Local Local Lodge Trustee
Local Lodge Recording Secretary
Bylaw Committee
Local Lodge Editor (won numerous awards for my work)
Organizer, worked on US fleet and UA CSA Campaigns
Shop Steward for over 10 years
District 142 Communicator and rep.
Negotiating Committee Member
Attend Leadership I, II, Advanced Leadership and Train the Trainer
Web School
Basic and Advanced Editor Training.
Trained by the man who organized the IAM at US back in 1949 and many other educated and experienced union reps.

Whats your background?

And under the US CBA, is Mechanics, Stock Clerks and Utility.

One's classification has nothing to do with their experience and educational level and knowledge.

And you are still not addressing how you would stab your other union coworkers in the back.
Click to expand...

I see you polished up your resume in the past few hours. When you get 34 years of flying in your logbook and obtain a degree in Finance and have owned 3 businesses since you were 20, then we can start talking. Otherwise, take your resume and post try to impress the American forum since you are the ex...spert over there as well.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Latest posts

Back
Top