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TWAnr said:
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Her website is called Republican and Proud. She is not exactly an objective non-partisan commentator.
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Granted, but you're the lawyer -- what exactly were FEMA, Bush, and the Pentagon able to to absent Blank-O's consent? When state's rights and federal responsibilities conflict, doesn't the Tenth Amendment more or less dictate to err on the side of the state?
 
First, there are always people who can evacuate who won't. I've made that decision a few times myself. You understand you're taking responsibilty for yourself.

For those unable to evacuate, the mayor and the governor let them down. The locals decide where the shelters are going to be, and are responsible for the condidtions of those shelters. Some food and water is never a bad idea, although I'd recommend each citizen carry their own with them, along with meds. Power outages go hand in hand with hurricanes (I have been out of power 3, 7 and 11 days). Has the mayor and governor never heard of generators? Placed high enough to be out of flood waters? With a fuel supply for 72-96 hours? This is basic pre-planning, folks.

And who the hell did the governor think she was, ordering shoot to kill? I don't want some young Guardsman made judge, jury and executioner. Certainly not over someone taking food and water. Now theft of TV's? Arrest them, don't shoot them. Shoot in self-defense only.

Knowing the levees were designed for Cat 3 storms, and failing to remedy that is a federal responsibility - interstate commerce, Army Corp of Engineers, etc.

Not restoring wetlands - federal.

Somehow, we can piss money away on anything (look at the latest Energy or Highway Bills), and let these vital things slide.

Bush hurt himself when he said no one anticipated the levees breaking. Computer sims for Cat 4 and 5 storms showed exactly that happening.

OK, this is all before the fact.

After the fact, it took the video coming out of N.O. to get the bureaucrats and pols, local, state and federal, off their asses and moving. Nobody wants to be left holding the bag. High time the media did their job, too.

I'd say the mayor and governor are toast. Brown may go back to the horse business. And I think Bush's 'my way or the highway' just went bye-bye too.

One lesson to take from all of this when you go to vote (you do vote, don't you?). Do you want this jackass in charge when another 9/11 or Katrina happens?

It ain't all PR.
 
Former ModerAAtor said:
Granted, but you're the lawyer -- what exactly were FEMA, Bush, and the Pentagon able to to absent Blank-O's consent? When state's rights and federal responsibilities conflict, doesn't the Tenth Amendment more or less dictate to err on the side of the state?
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Sorry, this is not my area of expertise, but I do know Republican National Committee talking points when I read them.
 
Last time I checked, the report on the levee and what strenggh it could hold up to was finished around 1988. I hardly think it is only one president's fault that the levees were not upgraded. Why isn't anyone after Congress during their month-long vacation? Oh, that's right, they're innocent of all crimes. They just make the laws and write the checks. :down:
 
As specific orders began arriving to the firefighters in Atlanta, a team of 50 Monday morning quickly was ushered onto a flight headed for Louisiana. The crew's first assignment: to stand beside President Bush as he tours devastated areas.
 
IMHO, I bet if it was Tanglewood in Houston flooded (where Bush I and the Barb live), there would have been troops pulled out of Iraq if necessary. New Orleans doesn't have weak, old levees. It has a shortage of rich, white Republicans. So, the disaster is their own fault.


Cynical? Moi? How could you say such a thing? :lol:
 
sentrido said:
Nice dodge. your good enough to wast your time posting on here but too good to "educate". I DID acknowledge the busses, and added that maybe barges, which the whole existence of the city is based on, would have been a good idea too. I'm calling you out, you asked me to back up my point of view, now back up yours.

As for "bias", are the only people in america who are allowed to express an opinion now only people without an opinion?
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Not ignore you, but I really don't understand your point. And as for your last comment, sure you can have an opinion, but lets not pretend that your opinion comes from a fair and open assessment of the facts. Nor that when presented with new information that contradicts your viewpoint, that you would change.
 
markkus757 said:
Last time I checked, the report on the levee and what strenggh it could hold up to was finished around 1988. I hardly think it is only one president's fault that the levees were not upgraded. Why isn't anyone after Congress during their month-long vacation? Oh, that's right, they're innocent of all crimes. They just make the laws and write the checks. :down:
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It's easy now to classify the levees as a top priority, but I have to imagine that their are other ACE projects around the country that need resources. And why exactly couldn't the state government fund additional work? Louisiana can raise taxes if this is important.

I will also note that ACE funding was increased under GWB and that funding for Louisiana projects was increased. Nevertheless, it will be interesting to learn how the projects were allocated, anybody following NO press for the past 20yrs knew the levees were an issue. I remember the flood in the early 90's.
 
An interesting New Orleans tale..
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Chip Johnson
Police made their storm misery worse
Chip Johnson
Friday, September 9, 2005


Larry Bradshaw and Lorrie Beth Slonsky, two San Francisco paramedics trapped in New Orleans for five days last week, have a different story to tell than many of the tales that have come out in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina.

By their account, the cops weren't necessarily the good guys, and it was crystal clear that most of the city government structure collapsed along with the levees that left the city at the mercy of the rising waters.

When Hurricane Katrina hit Aug. 29, Bradshaw and his longtime live-in girlfriend were at the Hotel Monteleone in New Orleans' French Quarter, in town for a three-day paramedics conference at the convention center.

After the storm died down the next day, they were among 500 people sheltered in hotels throughout the tourist district -- foreign tourists, conference attendees and locals who'd checked in to ride out the storm.

The stranded crowd stared at food and water locked in a drugstore across the street from the hotel only to be shooed away by police officers whenever anyone approached the store. Finally, after hours of cat and mouse, the crowd finally broke into the store.

"At that point, we had not seen any of the TV coverage or looked at a newspaper, but we guessed there were no video images of European and white tourists, like us, looting the Walgreens in the French Quarter,'' the couple wrote in an eight-page account of their experience.

When it became clear that the help they so desperately needed was not coming anytime soon, the group pooled their resources in an effort to buy their way out of the surrounding hell. They ponied up $25,000, enough to lease 10 buses that would carry them out of the city.

But as the buses they paid for approached the city, they were immediately commandeered by the National Guard forces that were in New Orleans, Bradshaw and Slonsky said Thursday in an interview back home.

"If they used the buses to get the most severely ill out of the Superdome and convention center, I have no problem with that,'' Bradshaw said. "The thing that gets me is that if we could get on the phone and get 10 buses, why couldn't FEMA make that call?''

With no food, no water and no transportation out of the city, about 200 of the former hotel guests wandered the streets and tried to set up a camp next to a police command center on Canal Street, where they hoped to get aid, protection and information, the couple said.

But officers told them they couldn't stay, they had no water for them, and they needed to get up on Highway 90, a bridge that spans the Mississippi River, and walk until they saw the rescue buses they promised would be waiting for them.

So late Wednesday afternoon, the group set out for a bridge called the Crescent City Connection, where they would find the help they so desperately needed. But when they arrived atop the highway, the paramedics said, they were met by more police officers, this time from neighboring Gretna, La., who weren't letting anyone pass.

"If I weren't there, and hadn't witnessed it for myself, I don't think I would have ever believed this," Bradshaw said.

The officers fired warning shots into the air and then leveled their weapons at members of the crowd, Bradshaw said. He approached, hands in the air, displaying his paramedic's badge.

"They told us that there would be no Superdomes in their city,'' the couple wrote. "These were code words that if you are poor and black, you are not crossing the Mississippi River -- and you weren't getting out of New Orleans.''

And when exhausted hurricane victims set up temporary shelters on the highway, Gretna police came back a few hours later, fired shots into the air again, told people to "get the f -- off the bridge" and used a helicopter to blow down all the makeshift shelters, the paramedics said.

When the officers had pushed the crowd back far enough, one of them took the group's food and water, dropped it in the trunk of a patrol car and drove away.

Gretna Police Chief Arthur Lawson confirmed that his officers were under his orders to seal off the suburban city of 17,500 residents.

"We had individuals bused into Gretna and dropped off, and we had no idea they were coming. No one ever called us -- we have no shelter in Gretna, and our citizens were under a mandatory evacuation. This place was already locked down.''

The few buses that did show up received much the same treatment as Bradshaw, Slonsky and their compatriots: Gretna police officers did not allow anyone off the buses, and like their brothers in blue across the river, they sent them packing.

Police officers in Gretna also went into the city's lone sporting goods store and pawn shop and removed more than 1,400 weapons from the shelves to ensure the public safety, Lawson said.

Throughout the ordeal, Slonsky said members of the group they camped with became a community that helped each other, shared with each other and, in the end, relied on each other for their very survival.

The San Francisco paramedics were finally airlifted Friday to San Antonio, where they endured another couple of days in cramped conditions while they were examined for disease before being released.

"We got out of there with only the clothes on our back,'' Bradshaw said. "And the money in my underwear,'' added Slonsky.



................and what was our beloved president doing?.............

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