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Yes, I hate Bush. Not because he is a repulican, but beacause he has managed to take the worst ideas of both parties and make them a reality. Maybe we would have been better under Gore or Kerry, but we definetly would have been better under McCain.
 
Oh, and judging by Bush's previouse record, I anticipate everyone in charge who screwed up to get a medal.
 
Granted Bush is no shinning star. 3 things come to mind
1) Bush's open border policy, if you live south of the Rio Grande R and speak Spanish you have a free pass to the USA and free medical, welfare, education etc.
2) As posted peviously NAFTA + CAFTA = SHAFTA for the American worker.
3) Even before Katrina something should have been done to releive the gas crunch for the common citizen.
Come to think of it. When was the last time you voted for a president?
In fact we mostly vote AGAINST ONE CANDIDATE and not FOR A CANDIDATE. You may have voted for Kerry bec you hated Bush or vice versa.
 
DFWCC said:
NHBB, I respect your opinion and you are right. I may have been too strong with the "I's". I recall from personal expiernce living in Wash DC during the MLK riots of 68 or was it 69. Looting was rampant and crowds were out of control. I can understand about hunting for food and water, but TVs, guns, jewelry, DVDs etc just doesn't make sense on a priority of self preservation.
On a side note I do not listen to Rush Limbaugh.
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DFWCC,

It takes a big guy, to admit when he is wrong !

"Thanx BIG GUY" !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

NH/BB's
 
Former ModerAAtor said:
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FM is absolutely correct on all accounts. This disaster is a result of direct neglect by the mayor and governor. It is their responsibility for the safety of its citizens. The federal government does not get involved until the governor requests its help. The people of New Orleans had become complacent about hurricanes. They have a we survived the last one attitude. These people didn't want to leave until the last minute when they realized that it was going to be really bad. Who builds a levy around a city for a Cat3 hurricane when millions of people live in it? New Orleans officials should have rebuilt those levys years ago. Now they want to blame the feds? Forget it they are in the position they are in because of ignorance. So they couldn't get out because they were poor? They are poor because they choose to be poor there is no reason for anyone to be poor in the United States other than they choose to be. If they really wanted out a simple call to the NAACP would have prompted some action. They use it to get all kinds of other monetary gains, why not to save their lives? They could have stolen a car to get out if they wanted too. They aren’t having problems stealing TV’s they cant use. Local government is 100% responsible and the citizens themselves. I do understand your wanting to point the finger at someone else though after all most of you in here are union, incapable of taking care of yourselves. Always needing someone to make decisions for you. I understand, its all about ignorance and the inability to function with out someone else to pull your strings. Kathleen Blanco the governor that gave herself and the legislature a raise when the state is operating in the red during her first month of office. Yea she really knows what she is doing. If you people think the feds are responsible for this you are as ignorant as those people that chose to stay in a city that is below sea level with two incompetents in charge.
No hospitals, nursing homes, orphanages or jails were evacuated. Is Bush supposed to demand the evacuation of these facilities or the local governments? Boy you people are all about placing blame where it doesn’t belong. No wonder your industry is falling apart, if there is a problem you run off in the wrong direction to fix it.
 
PTO, So now you're saying hurricane Katrina was all AMFA's fault? Yep,you are definitely a contractor scab. ME,MYSELF, AND I that is definitely your motto. When our economy crashes(because of scabs like yourself), I'll bet you'll be first in line at the soup kitchen.

PTO,I wouldn't be criticising the people of New Orleans if I were you, because one day PTO you'll be wearing their shoes also. I guess when Al Queda nukes NYC or Washington,D.C. PTO will blame the people there for not moving out in time.

PTO, one of these days you will be scabbing on the coast somewhere and I hope you get clobbered by a Category 8 hurricane named KIDA.
 
Princess, are you serious? No, I do not blame AMFA for Katrina. Where did you get that idea from? I am a firm believer in destiny. I don't know if you have ever been to New Orleans or not but it is a sad, filthy city. I have never heard any thing good about that city. I think the good Lord decided to clean house. No AMFA involvement necessary.

Category 8? I think I'm up to that challenge just let me know when that storm begins to brew. I'll bring the champagne.
 
NewHampshire Black Bears said:
GWB, Missing in action.................................AGAIN !!!!!!!!!!!
Very safe bet, if the Presidential election were held today, KERRY would be President.
Gasoline...........$3.00+

Iraq.................. STILL no "WMD"..............2000 DEAD

MSY........................Bush - MISSING IN ACTION !!!

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I hadn't stopped by this forum for a while, but figured this type of post was destined to appear.

Let me make a couple of points:

1. Disaster management is the primary responsibility of state government. The US is a federal system in which powers not explicitly given the federal government or devolved to the states. I can recall no natural or man-made disaster where the federal government took a primary role in managing a disaster. The act in support of the state government and allocate resources accordingly. So, if you have a beef with the management of this event, the first person you should comment about is Blanco, who has been noticably absent over the past several days.

2. The Posse Comitatus Act restricts the us of federal assets within the domestic US. The initial believe was that the law restricted any use of military assets in the US as well as the US military to engage in law enforcement. Later, Posse Comitatus clarifications emphasize supportive and technical assistance (e.g., use of facilities, vessels, aircraft, intelligence, tech aid, surveillance, etc.) can be provided. The role of law enforcement in extraordinary circumstances is given to the National Guard, which reports to the Governor. It is not clear to me if she (Blanco) asked for more resources from other governors and was declined, or never asked.

3. The exact strength of the storm and its direction was unclear until late Saturday. It's not clear to me whether it is feasible to move resources around in time to address the potential impact. So it can be conceivable that the resources were out of alignment.

4. Gasoline is still lower in real terms than it was in the 1980's. The fact that gas prices are high is a factor of increased global demand and lack of refining capavity in the US. The US refining capacity was running at 99% before Katrina. When Katrina took out 16% of US capacity, a price rise was going to occur. Its called supply and demand. Kennedy could be president and you would still have higher prices. And when the refining capacity returns, prices will still be high. Their are no new oil fields in the world and Americans love SUVs. Until demand goes down and refining capacity increases, the price will stay high. But neither is likely to happen because most Americans hate the idea of a refinery near them, so none will get built.

All in all, this looks like a pretty aweful sitaution. Blaming Bush is a pavlovian response of this forum given the membership is structurally anti-Republican and so see any action or event in partisan terms. What Katrina may show is that the current model of managing disasters, leaving Governors as leaders, may proof inappropriate. But that creates significant constitutional issues. But the facts on what occured will not be known for some time. I imagine that the more enlightened will wait before determing if any was "at fault". Maybe Blanco screwed up, maybe FEMA's plans were inadequate, maybe the nature of the disaster overwhelmed the planners or created unforeseen coordination issues. I don't know. But people like blackbear now all....I find that depressing and a bad sign for our future as a nation.
 
Duck, have another then..... I think "waiting" was the problem here.
 
sentrido said:
Duck, have another then..... I think "waiting" was the problem here.
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How do you know anyone waited? Is it conceivable...even remotely...that a class 4/5 hurricane than moves rapidly across the gulf, hits an incredibly weak area and destroys more than any other hurricane in the past 100yrs is something noone can react to faster than what you are seeing? I love it how we all become experts. I recall a survivor in Biloxi saying that his house was barely touched by Camille's storm surge. Camille was a CLASS 5 that directly hit Biloxi. This time, Katrina's storm surge took out his house....

Maybe once in a while, we discover that nature is more powerful than we are. And this is one of those times.
 
PlayTheOdds said:
I don't know if you have ever been to New Orleans or not but it is a sad, filthy city. I have never heard any thing good about that city. I think the good Lord decided to clean house
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I've been to every major city in the U.S. and Canada and New Orleans was no different than anywhere else. Every trip I ever made to New Orleans was definitely in the good to great category. To say the good lord cleaned house is really reflective of your true character. I hope you don't decide to "clean house" with your pen in those Northwest logbooks you've been pencil whipping.
 
It will come out that part of the delay involved the federal government wanting complete control. Ironic considering all the 10th amendments posts. Did the feds demand complete control be given by Jeb in FL?

As far as reaction time, We made a whole new department of government to do this, led by political, not merit, employees. And they did fail as far as im concerned.
 
sentrido said:
It will come out that part of the delay involved the federal government wanting complete control. Ironic considering all the 10th amendments posts. Did the feds demand complete control be given by Jeb in FL?
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Can you sight a reference to this? Or are you making this up? And how do you know how the Florida hurricanes and the disaster management of this one differed? I still don't understand what Blanco did or didn't do.

sentrido said:
As far as reaction time, We made a whole new department of government to do this, led by political, not merit, employees. And they did fail as far as im concerned.
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Still doesn't answer the question. I don't know how the department was staffed. I'd guess you might be right. Government jobs are often not merit based. Nevertheless, it could have been staffed by the most talented people and still ended up this way. This wasn't an engineering disaster...this was a natural disaster.
 
Its in the washington post, I dont know how FLA was treated, thats why I asked. I know how the department was staffed cause I dont just read message boards, I read the news. Blanco asked for federal help before the storm hit, cause no local infrastructure can handle this sort of event. Thats why we have FEMA and DHS etc. FEMA or DHS had no plan in place for what FEMA said years ago would be the worst natural disater risk in the US.
 
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