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No to Chemo, Yes to Assisted Suicide

As an oregon native, I can tell you that the Oregon Health Plan has a lot of fundamental flaws. Obviously, this is a "sensational" case that got airtime, but beyond this case, there are many many "ordinary" problems w/it. OHP is a good example of how NOT to run healthcare.

Separately from this lady's case: for the record, I voted for-and believe in- the right to assisted suicide.


P.S. Good to see Steve Dunn hasn't aged a bit since I left. The man is the PDX anchorman equivalent of Dick Clark...
 
You don't have to go to Canada to get a preview of our impending socialized healthcare dystopia. This is from Oregon:

Video: In 2008, Oregon Denied Chemotherapy Drug, But Approved Assisted Suicide. The Shades Of Things To Come!

State Gov run healthcare system sent a letter denying her the $4000 per week Chemo drugs, but was willing to pay for the $100 pills to assist in her suicide.


Hmmm. I wonder if capitalist insurance companies deny treatment to patients. I wonder what I would find if I did a web search for such a question .......
 
On a more serious note.

At what point do we as a society say that a lafe is only worth so much before we realize that the money can save more lives else where. I understand that this is a cold way of putting it and I also understand that when it is your loved one or your self who's life is at stake the perspective is quite different. I know a couple who had fertility treatment to conceive. They ended up having triplets one of whom had sever medical problems that ended up taking her life. The cost for neo-natal care ended up running well over $1 million. Most of this was covered by insurance. Those cost of course get passed along the food chain. When is enough a enough? Were this a state or federal insurance program, the cost would be spread out a bit more since you have more people but we all still end up paying. That $1 million could have been spent to feed or cloth a lot of people. Do we spend another million on a 80 yr old man who has a bad heart? As cold and impersonal as it is, at what point do we say that your life is not worth $X.xx amount. When do we tell someone that since you smoked 2 packs a day you don't get a lung trans plant or a liver trans plant for an alcoholic? I know I would not want to make that decision and I am pretty sure I would think my life or the life of a loved one has not limit in terms of value ........... BUT ............ I know logically that is not the case. I would not want my family to put their financial future at risk to save my life. As Spock said on Star Trek, then needs of the many out weigh the needs of the few. This is a difficult decision but one that I think we need to make. Whether insurance is private or federal, the cost affects us.
 
Hmmm. I wonder if capitalist insurance companies deny treatment to patients. I wonder what I would find if I did a web search for such a question .......
So two wrongs make a right then? Your missing the point altogether. This is exactly what would happen if we were to accept the single payer system the gov is proposing. If they say its going to cost 1 trillion, chances are it will end up costing 10x that much.

So what happens then? Raise taxes? Cut benefits?

Most likely both. As it is their half baked scheme of taxing the rich would only cover 6 months of the costs. Then what?

Denying coverage is one thing, sending you a letter telling you your better off dead is another.

Again two wrongs don't make a right and the current form of Obamacare is not the solution. We would be trading a broken system for much worse system.
 
As cold and impersonal as it is, at what point do we say that your life is not worth $X.xx amount.

Should we ever be going down that road? Who would you get to play God in these decisions? How about we treat everyone as equals without regards to age. I guess it is OK for some to deny care to the elderly, unless you are the elder person.
 
I am not necessarily taking a side. I acknowledged that when it involves ones self or a loved one the answers would more than likely change. How ever, the fact remains that when resources are limited, they must be used where they are most effective. Say you and 9 other people have a illness. There are only 9 doses. A full dose must be used or it is not effective. The person who does not get the dose WILL die. Eeryone is healthy but one. That person has disease X or is elderly (over 60) but everyone else is under 40. Do you draw straws and let a healthy person die who has a longer life expectancy or do you cut to the chase and say that the old guy bites it?

I am not saying it is an easy decision by any means. But, we have limited resources right now. Do we spend a million of neo-natal care for a child who will more than likely not make it or do we spend the million on prenatal care for 1,000 women who will have healthy babies? Who tells the 1,000 mothers that health of their 1,000 babies is not worth more (combined) than the treatment of one baby?

They are tough questions no doubt but I think our biggest problem is our view on death. We are all scared of it. I am too but it is the circle of life. We all die. When it is our time . when do you stop fighting? My pets are like my kids. I know it's not the same but I have had to make the decision for 4 of them when to stop fighting. Hardest thing I have ever done except when we made that same decision of behalf of my mom. No one wants to make it but there are times when it has to be done.
 
Should we ever be going down that road? Who would you get to play God in these decisions? How about we treat everyone as equals without regards to age. I guess it is OK for some to deny care to the elderly, unless you are the elder person.
The gods right now are actuaries who work for insurance companies.

Read some of their discussions from one of the actuary blogs.

Medical ethics is a real world problem that many do not want to discuss.

China limits its citizens to one child. Is it right or wrong? How about Octomon...

Here is an article from the NEJM.

As for the health care dilemma; as our medical research and technology continues to advance at exponential rates, we must start talking about this. This needs to be part of the equation in health care reform.
 
So now we're saying, "Hey let's allow the Federal Government decide the value of a human life"
Where did you derive that from?

This is an issue that must be discussed.

How much does an insurance company spend, or a Doctor order, to save someone's life?

There is going to be a point where our health care system can cure almost anything with enough time or money.

Who decides who gets that time and who pays for it?
 
I wonder if Teddy Kennedy at his age with a brain tumor would be considered worthy of treatment. :unsure:
 
We have laws on the books that prohibit discrimination against age, sex, disabilities, etc. How can the gov even consider rationing care based on such particulars.

BTW, if you look at the three health advisers Obama is utilizing you would be mortified when looking at their very well published beliefs regarding health care.
 
I wonder if Teddy Kennedy at his age with a brain tumor would be considered worthy of treatment. :unsure:
Good question. Let's pose it this way instead:

I wonder if Teddy Kennedy Dad, at his age, with a brain tumor, would be considered worthy of treatment.
 
Assisted suicide should be legal and covered by insurance. It is far cheaper than continuing to treat someone who is terminal. Assisted SUICIDE is not the same thing as assisted HOMICIDE which is what Obama wants.

Fertility treatments should never be covered by insurance. It is not an insurable event. It is a CHOICE.
 

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