No Water For Pilots

EyeInTheSky

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Dec 2, 2003
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NO water for UAL pilots

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By Julie Johnsson
Crain's Business Chicago


As if massive layoffs, wage concessions and the prospect of losing billions of dollars in pension benefits were not quite enough, United Airlines is now reminding pilots to take it easy on the bottled water.

A dryly worded Feb. 23 memo told pilots to ask flight attendants for a glass of water instead of taking bottled water into the cockpit, except on international flights (excluding Canada), trips to Hawaii and domestic flights exceeding 2,100 miles.

United says other employees complained that pilots were nabbing water bottles from drink carts, leaving passengers high and dry. "In many instances, we've run short of bottled water on shorter flights," adds a United spokesman.

Dubbed the "water letter," the memo reiterates a seldom-enforced policy in place for years before United's bankruptcy. Its timing, more than its content, angered pilots. "It didn't change anything, just emphasized something that made everybody mad," says one pilot who asked not to be named.

BLADDER-BUSTING LITER BOTTLES

The spat centers on bladder-busting liter bottles, more water than a pilot would typically need on a short trip. For more than five years, the airline's policy has been to stock bottles in the cockpit only on trips longer than four hours.

Pilots can take any unfinished portion off the aircraft, but not any unopened bottles, Captain Mark Sebby, United's manager for line operations, wrote in the memo.

On shorter trips, pilots must summon flight attendants to provide them with a glass of water. Nowadays, that's cumbersome while airborne, requiring two flight attendants to secure the cockpit safety door.

So why not just provide more water for pilots? "To board additional bottles on every flight would be a fairly significant expense," the United spokesman says.

At least one council of the union representing pilots based in Chicago urged members to file safety reports for dehydration.

"It certainly shows the real difficult problems that are at United," says labor expert Joshua Javits, former chairman of the National Mediation Board. "There's an enormous amount of discouragement, and morale issues."

Not to mention thirsty pilots.
 
EyeInTheSky said:
NO water for UAL pilots

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United's memo has nothing to do with bottled water or finances but everything to do with the intentional systematic beating and breaking of the human spirit. The message is that you aren't worth sh&T. With the abolition of the human spirit, all becomes acceptable and tolerated.

See my comments under 'pay cuts' for a path that can bring back the human spirit of the working men and women of this great country. The fight is much greater than the airline industry and it must be done by recognizing that the American Labor movement or lacktherof isn't on your side.

regards,
 
EyeInTheSky said:
Pilots can take any unfinished portion off the aircraft, but not any unopened bottles, Captain Mark Sebby, United's manager for line operations, wrote in the memo.

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At least at United they can take the "unfinished bottles" off the aircraft! At NWA they recently sent out a memo to f/a's that opened bottles were NOT to be taken off the aircraft as caters reuse this water!!

On Int'l flights we are not to take any water off the flights even if you din't consume your one bottle of water as it is provided for "during" the flight not for layovers!
 
We were told this weekend that we couldn't have bottled water in the cockpit for our international flight. We were short of water in the back, asked for more and catering demanded to know if the pilots had made off with any of it. I guess what's good for UAL is good for U.

A320 Driver
 
justanadd said:
At least at United they can take the "unfinished bottles" off the aircraft! At NWA they recently sent out a memo to f/a's that opened bottles were NOT to be taken off the aircraft as caters reuse this water!!

On Int'l flights we are not to take any water off the flights even if you din't consume your one bottle of water as it is provided for "during" the flight not for layovers!
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Do they at least filter out the 'backwash' or do they charge it as a meal? :p

B) UT
 
justanadd said:
At least at United they can take the "unfinished bottles" off the aircraft! At NWA they recently sent out a memo to f/a's that opened bottles were NOT to be taken off the aircraft as caters reuse this water!!

On Int'l flights we are not to take any water off the flights even if you din't consume your one bottle of water as it is provided for "during" the flight not for layovers!
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Is this true, that NWA reuses opened water bottles?
Please reply immediately.