NPR readers would ratify four new amendments

[Ms Tree]

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I like tbe amendment ideas. I think the criticisms could be easily corrected.

I have never been a fan of the EC. I remember hearing one decent argument in it's favor but I think the advantages of getting rid of it far out weigh the benefits.

A ban on lobbiest after service is a no brainer.

 

[delldude]

At least those voting on NPr are for the most part your liberal left and don't express the views of the majority conservatives.
So its biased to say the least,.

 

[SparrowHawk]

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I like tbe amendment ideas. I think the criticisms could be easily corrected.

I have never been a fan of the EC. I remember hearing one decent argument in it's favor but I think the advantages of getting rid of it far out weigh the benefits.

A ban on lobbiest after service is a no brainer.

I think it best for us to leave the COTUS alone as it has performed well over the centuries.

Instead of altering it, perhaps a better solution would be to adhere to what's already there and then move forward.

I'm by no means Liberal and I do confess to listening to NPR. I find their point of view refreshing if for no other reason then it convinces me that I'm right and they aren't. It's always good to listen to the other side. Think of it as knowing your enemy if nothing else.

 

[Ms Tree]

The COTUS is not perfect. There have been several amendments made to the document if for no other reason to improve it and bring it up to date.

I would have thought you would be in favor of getting rid of the EC. That would make it easier for a third party to gain a foot hold.

I would have also thought a comprehensive ban on lobbiest would be up your aley as well.

I am not advocating a whole sale change on the COTUS but a little tweeek every now and then might be in order given the changing times.

Thats why I read FOX and MSNBC. Keep an eye on what the fringe is up too.

 

[SparrowHawk]

The COTUS is not perfect. There have been several amendments made to the document if for no other reason to improve it and bring it up to date.

I would have thought you would be in favor of getting rid of the EC. That would make it easier for a third party to gain a foot hold.

I would have also thought a comprehensive ban on lobbiest would be up your aley as well.

I am not advocating a whole sale change on the COTUS but a little tweeek every now and then might be in order given the changing times.

Thats why I read FOX and MSNBC. Keep an eye on what the fringe is up too.

OK, Let's start with the Electoral College. While most elections it is frankly a waste. It does serve as a backstop to help prevent the rise of a home grown Hitler type person. At least in theory it does.

While it sounds good on paper rights are conferred upon individuals NOT groups. Who decides who is a Lobbyist?Government does. Free Speech even the bought and paid for variety must be preserved.

A third party in and of itself will not solve a single problem. If you want reform in the election process you have to go state by state regarding ballot access. OR change the COTUS to prohibit the current restrictions to ballot access we now have. All any third party has the right to ask for is a level playing field on which to compete in the free market of ideas and solutions to current problems. Isn't it funny that everyone is "Free Market" just so long as it's not THEIR market. Opening up ballot access would do wonders, do we need to revise the COTUS to accomplish it? Perhaps

 

[7days]

The Electoral College serves to prevent highly populated liberal meccas like California to overpower less populated middle states. Its not rocket science.

 

[SparrowHawk]

The Electoral College serves to prevent highly populated liberal meccas like California to overpower less populated middle states. Its not rocket science.

Or Neo-Facist strongholds like the south from overpowering the more Liberal areas of the nation. The Electoral College is a lot like the 9mm in my dresser drawer. It's been there since forever and I've never had a burglar, BUT.......

 

[SparrowHawk]

More nutter talk.

What is it about Individual Freedom & Liberty that you're so afraid of?

Individual Freedom and Liberty was what founded this nation. It seems like if Rush or one of the other talking heads of the parasite political class speaks it it, you parrot it. WHY? Didn't God provide you with a free thinking functional brain?

You sound like a walking talking point for the Republican National Committee! WHY?

 

[Ms Tree]

Or Neo-Facist strongholds like the south from overpowering the more Liberal areas of the nation. The Electoral College is a lot like the 9mm in my dresser drawer. It's been there since forever and I've never had a burglar, BUT.......

I have heard this argument before but have yet to hear how it would happen. The larger states have more people and as a result they have more EC votes. States such as TX, FL, CA. ..etc can decided elections with a winner take all EC. If 50% +1 in CA vote for candidate x then all the EC votes go for that candidate. This is the reason the candidates campaign in the larger states and by pass the smaller ones. With direct election not too much would change but the will of the people is heard. So far there have been two elections where the candidates who won the popular election did not win the campaign.

I also believe that a direct election would greatly help breaking up the two party system that we are stuck with today.

 

[SparrowHawk]

I have heard this argument before but have yet to hear how it would happen. The larger states have more people and as a result they have more EC votes. States such as TX, FL, CA. ..etc can decided elections with a winner take all EC. If 50% +1 in CA vote for candidate x then all the EC votes go for that candidate. This is the reason the candidates campaign in the larger states and by pass the smaller ones. With direct election not too much would change but the will of the people is heard. So far there have been two elections where the candidates who won the popular election did not win the campaign.

I also believe that a direct election would greatly help breaking up the two party system that we are stuck with today.

I don't think a change in the EC or elimination of it would do one single thing to help third parties rise up. Explain as i'm curious as to your thinking.

 

[delldude]

Or Neo-Facist strongholds like the south from overpowering the more Liberal areas of the nation. The Electoral College is a lot like the 9mm in my dresser drawer. It's been there since forever and I've never had a burglar, BUT.......

Keep mine on a specially designed holster mount bracket on the back of the headboard. Off safe and ready to rock and roll.

Don't tell Big Sis.....

 

[SparrowHawk]

Keep mine on a specially designed holster mount bracket on the back of the headboard. Off safe and ready to rock and roll.

Don't tell Big Sis.....

Just remember to a Libertarian, Gun Control means using BOTH hands when firing the weapon.

 

[Ms Tree]

I don't think a change in the EC or elimination of it would do one single thing to help third parties rise up. Explain as i'm curious as to your thinking.

OK, off the top of my head lets look at this. Obama -(D), Romney -(R) and Paul decides to run (I). Under the current system I may like the idea of Paul as POTUS but I am pretty sure that there are not too many people who would agree, especially not 50% +1. So I am going to be less inclined to want to vote for him as I may be throwing away my vote. With a direct vote, my guy may not win the first or second time, but if Paul were to get enough votes eventually a third party might make a break for it.

I also believe it evens up the votes. The voter in OH now carries the same weight as the voter in CA or TX or NY. I think the fly over states become more important.

I think the biggest benefit would be for the third party. In a winner take all I do not think a third party has a chance, in a direct vote, I think there is a chance that people will send their vote else where because their is a possibility that it might make a difference.

 

[delldude]

I have heard this argument before but have yet to hear how it would happen. The larger states have more people and as a result they have more EC votes. States such as TX, FL, CA. ..etc can decided elections with a winner take all EC. If 50% +1 in CA vote for candidate x then all the EC votes go for that candidate. This is the reason the candidates campaign in the larger states and by pass the smaller ones. With direct election not too much would change but the will of the people is heard. So far there have been two elections where the candidates who won the popular election did not win the campaign.

I also believe that a direct election would greatly help breaking up the two party system that we are stuck with today.

Most of the larger population areas are heavy dem/unionized city/states.....one needs only campaign in the high population areas to carry the popular vote and leaves the lessor populated areas very slim on representation.

North East- Fla- Mid West- Left Coast

That simple......

 

[delldude]

Just remember to a Libertarian, Gun Control means using BOTH hands when firing the weapon.

P85 right - PPKs left.
Moss 500 3" mag w/00 buck at the ready