Nw Pilots & Fa's Mull Sympathy Strike

[tadjr]

Some of the flight attendants have to tried to organize, but luckily their "brothers and sisters" are smarter than that and would rather not see a dues deduction on every paycheck.

[post="288833"][/post]​

Sure, DL was smart paying their non union workers what union workers at other carriers were making. If the other union carriers werent making what they were, do you think DL would be paying their people what they are? If DL goes bankrupt and they get out the chopping block lets see what they end up with and if they think they would have been better off with some protection.

 

[JS]

Sure, DL was smart paying their non union workers what union workers at other carriers were making. If the other union carriers werent making what they were, do you think DL would be paying their people what they are? If DL goes bankrupt and they get out the chopping block lets see what they end up with and if they think they would have been better off with some protection.

[post="288872"][/post]​

From the perspective of one airline, the market wage is what the other unions are getting. Delta has to pay that in order to have employees or to avoid the employees forming a union. If the wages at other carriers fall, suddenly Delta is overpaying its employees and can cut wages without losing employees. It happens in any other industry.

If Delta goes bankrupt, I don't think the flight attendants would be any better off with a union. When an airline is struggling for survival, labor has to give concessions or terms will be imposed on them by the bankrupcty court (or the airline goes out of business). Look at the AA, UA and US unions -- paying all those dues just to get a paycut anyway? What's the point?

 

[eolesen]

DL's employees are probably no worse off in bankruptcy, since there's nothing preventing management from making changes to workrules today.

And that's one of the criticisms of DL -- for the past four years, there's been nothing stopping them from finding ways of increasing productivity or reducing costs. Yet aside from pulling back at DFW, they really haven't appeared to do much in terms of trying to run more efficiently...

The only thing DL's employees really lose is a voice in the courthouse, and even that's been pretty much ineffective at US and UA.

 

[WorldTraveler]

Actually, DL has made tremendous improvements in productivity since it implemented the transformation plan. Look at the increase of ASMs while the fleet and employee counts have shrunk. And DL was already in the upper tier of productivity among legacy airlines.

Grinstein says that DL employees have given enough and he could argue that DL employee productivity relative to labor costs is already very favorable. The risk for DL employees is that creditors will still demand further cuts just to ensure that the creditors chance of recovering their investment is maximized. In BK, the company loses at least some of its ability to dictate how it runs the airline. On the other hand, Grinstein undoubtedly decided after last year's pilot concession battle that the next round would be fought in court where he could hide behind the creditors - whether they dictate cuts or not.

 

[aafsc]

DL's employees are probably no worse off in bankruptcy, since there's nothing preventing management from making changes to workrules today.

And that's one of the criticisms of DL -- for the past four years, there's been nothing stopping them from finding ways of increasing productivity or reducing costs. Yet aside from pulling back at DFW, they really haven't appeared to do much in terms of trying to run more efficiently...

The only thing DL's employees really lose is a voice in the courthouse, and even that's been pretty much ineffective at US and UA.

[post="288887"][/post]​

The DL flight attendants are vulnerable in the event DL combines with another company whose flight attendants have merger protections.

 

[A330US]

strike or no strike
50 % AMFA NWA mechs are going to lose their jobs
i hope the strike scares off NWA and NWA forget about their proposal
or if the strike happens, i hope NWA will shutdown for 2-3 days and then arguably die
but i wish the best for the mechs down there !

 

[Boomer]

strike or no strike
50 % AMFA NWA mechs are going to lose their jobs
i hope the strike scares off NWA and NWA forget about their proposal
or if the strike happens, i hope NWA will shutdown for 2-3 days and then arguably die
but i wish the best for the mechs down there !

[post="289473"][/post]​

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A330US,
Spoken like a true third time repeat offender-concessions wise, that is.

Whatever the AMFA Members choose to do, I support their decision. Unlike the TWU, AMFA allows their members to actually choose those that lead them and are able to vote before decisions are made.

 

[luv2fly]

And that's one of the criticisms of DL -- for the past four years, there's been nothing stopping them from finding ways of increasing productivity or reducing costs.  Yet aside from pulling back at DFW, they really haven't appeared to do much in terms of trying to run more efficiently...

[post="288887"][/post]​

I have to disagree with the productivity statement. DL has reduced its headcount by over twenty thousand. The pilot group has shrunk from over ten thousand to less than seven thousand. When you consider the fact that we are flying roughly the same amount of block hours, there has to be productivity improvement. Most line pilots are flying 80-85 hours a month. Annual FAR limits would be reached at years end with an average of 83 hours per month. Reserve utilization has improved as well. There have been numerous productivity improvements company wide. Headcount reductions, pay cuts, benefit reductions etc.
Turn times have reduced dramatically increasing the utilization of the aircraft.
While I am not as familiar with the paycuts and benefit reductions of other employee groups, the pilots concessions alone contributed roughly 1 billion in annual savings.
So my question for you would be, with what information are you basing your statement upon?

 

[Red Tail Bear]

strike or no strike
50 % AMFA NWA mechs are going to lose their jobs
i hope the strike scares off NWA and NWA forget about their proposal
or if the strike happens, i hope NWA will shutdown for 2-3 days and then arguably die
but i wish the best for the mechs down there !

[post="289473"][/post]​

A330US,
Nice going you A$$! You just wished for about 30,000 people to lose their jobs.

 

[eolesen]

So my question for you would be, with what information are you basing your statement upon?

[post="289493"][/post]​

Statements from people inside DL, for starters... They've been so focused on things like Song and beating Jetblue and Airtran that they're forgetting about the other 60% of the airline. And the other 60% of the airline is probably generating more of the revenue.

But those are DL's problems to figure out. Not NWA's.

 

[PHX-F/A]

A330US,
Nice going you A$$! You just wished for about 30,000 people to lose their jobs.

[post="289504"][/post]​

and probably for all retirees to loose their medical!

 

[luv2fly]

Statements from people inside DL, for starters... They've been so focused on things like Song and beating Jetblue and Airtran that they're forgetting about the other 60% of the airline. And the other 60% of the airline is probably generating more of the revenue.

But those are DL's problems to figure out. Not NWA's.

[post="289510"][/post]​

Once again your statement has no basis. I would be curious to hear who your inside information is coming from. If you would like to continue that discussion, I will be more than happy to on the DL board.
In regards to NW, it is really no different. NW management is looking for labor to subsidize rising fuel costs and a bad business strategy.
Simply continue to cut labor costs and hope for the best. Who can outlast who?
The truth of the matter is, if and when DL and NW file, AA and CO will then enjoy their time under the media spotlight. At $60+ a barrel, it is only at matter of time before they too reach this point.