NW traffic fell 5.5% in Sept.

[finman]

selective sighting, i see...

from total seats available from one year to another, ect. People fudge this stuff all the time and make it look pretty for the rest of the people.

Yeah Don, I wouldn't be surprised if this was Gary flaunting his aviation accounting background. Nothing better to do than to poke with people's misfortunes and get excited about it. Had him on some of my flights and he is nothing but obnoxious. The fish bit but it was a stale bait.

I have absolutely no idea what your talking about. If you have a point to make, then by all means make it. I don't have time to try to interpret what you are getting at.

I posted the YOY capacity, with no determination whether it was good or bad; just the correct information in response to the claim that capacity is down over 20% since 2004. The Sep06 vs Sep05 capacity was unchanged, which is also public information that can be verified. Anybody can read an aviation magazine and get the same information. The original post was simply stating that it's not necessarily "bad" news for NWA that traffic was down 5.5% on a 7% capacity reduction, since part of the bankruptcy process is right-sizing the airline to optimize the yields. With the ability to shed leases on aircraft, that naturally results in a capacity reduction.

 

[jenny@nw]

I have absolutely no idea what your talking about. If you have a point to make, then by all means make it. I don't have time to try to interpret what you are getting at.

I posted the YOY capacity, with no determination whether it was good or bad; just the correct information in response to the claim that capacity is down over 20% since 2004. The Sep06 vs Sep05 capacity was unchanged, which is also public information that can be verified. Anybody can read an aviation magazine and get the same information. The original post was simply stating that it's not necessarily "bad" news for NWA that traffic was down 5.5% on a 7% capacity reduction, since part of the bankruptcy process is right-sizing the airline to optimize the yields. With the ability to shed leases on aircraft, that naturally results in a capacity reduction.

If: Capacity was not changed (Sept 06 vs Sept 05)

And : 7% Capacity reduction(undoubtly a CHANGE from what point) and the numbers were taken (-5.5)

Then: I would summrize that there is more of a loss, since the whole is smaller at this point then the prior.


Facts you have stated is a bit confusing where you pointed out there is no difference, yet there was a need for "right sizing" yet in order to do that you needed to change the inventory where a reduction occured and with that there is a 5.5 loss.

 

[Kev3188]

I agree that capacity constraint can be a good idea, but maybe the pendulum has swung too far?

 

[jenny@nw]

I thought this was common practice among many airlines but since I worked elsewhere I found this was not the case. I think this is one of the most dumbest things we do, especially when you overbook on flights that are usually utilized by tour groups... there's a rare case that there is a no show unless death occured....

And then this article rants about how $400 is so little in compensation and should be adjusted for infaltion. Well HOW ABOUT adjusting ticket prices with inflation first?
I found a 1957 ad for PAN AM advertising a r/t tix from NYC to LGW for $568 dollars, $14 dollars difference from 57 years later. Something is terribly wrong......

I agree that capacity constraint can be a good idea, but maybe the pendulum has swung too far?

 

[NWA CSA]

This thread is exactly why I don't visit this website anymore except for an occasional check-in and browse to see if things have changed. It has turned into nothing but a blogging area for furloughees, strikers and NW bashers. I'm the last one to paint a rosy picture of the airline but the stupidity displayed here by everyone is a prime example. Capacity is down year-over-year, an intentional move my management in an environment of over-capacity in the industry and everyone tries to spin it to mean that the public isn't flying NW intentionally anymore - load factor is up and the mechanics strike or the potential FA issues haven't hardly made a dent in things - and like it or not, NW has actually turned an operating profit since June/July. Again, I'm not thrilled with alot of what's going on, at NW or other carriers in the industry (the Wal-Martitization of the industry as some call it) but it's the nature of the beast right now and like-it or not we have to change with the times...do I agree with some/alot of the decisions made by NW management - NO - but some of the decisions by the unions at times are just as dumb and self-serving. All I'm going to say -- respond/bash all you want, I'm checking out of this place.

 

[finman]

If: Capacity was not changed (Sept 06 vs Sept 05)

And : 7% Capacity reduction(undoubtly a CHANGE from what point) and the numbers were taken (-5.5)

Then: I would summrize that there is more of a loss, since the whole is smaller at this point then the prior.
Facts you have stated is a bit confusing where you pointed out there is no difference, yet there was a need for "right sizing" yet in order to do that you needed to change the inventory where a reduction occured and with that there is a 5.5 loss.

You're right, my post was confusing. I meant that the Sep-04 to Sep-05 capacity was unchanged, in response to someones claim that due to the strike, that YOY was likely a 15% reduction. All told, like I said, the total average monthly capacity has gone down about 10% from 2004 to 2006. I don't think there is any dispute there.

 

[groundcontrol]

You're right, my post was confusing. I meant that the Sep-04 to Sep-05 capacity was unchanged, in response to someones claim that due to the strike, that YOY was likely a 15% reduction. All told, like I said, the total average monthly capacity has gone down about 10% from 2004 to 2006. I don't think there is any dispute there.

This is all I said finman....

"Has the fyling public finally caught on to the woes at NW?"

I wasn't even/ didn't even mention the strike. You just automatically assume way too much.

Face it NW is in turmoil.
The strike is like a small detail considering the BAD management (decisions), F/A problems, pissed off rampers (most losing jobs) over worked CSA's, it all equals dissatisfied customers.

I truly believe the flying public is catching on to NWA's "woes".

 

[finman]

This is all I said finman....

"Has the fyling public finally caught on to the woes at NW?"

I wasn't even/ didn't even mention the strike. You just automatically assume way too much.

Face it NW is in turmoil.
The strike is like a small detail considering the BAD management (decisions), F/A problems, pissed off rampers (most losing jobs) over worked CSA's, it all equals dissatisfied customers.

I truly believe the flying public is catching on to NWA's "woes".

It was Purdue Pete's comment I was referring to, per below:

"You need to remember that these figures were based on the September 2005 numbers. The September 2005 capacity figures were greatly reduced by the company at the beginning of the strike (approx. 15%), and yet NW couldn't even come close to reaching those lower numbers"

 

[jenny@nw]

NWA CSA,
There's a valid argument in some of these name callings and NWA bashings. Nobody needs to OD on company koolaid, it can be fatal.