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KCFlyer said:
Well...you might want to educate yourself. The problem with "patriotic shopping" was that most folks put it on credit...then "consolidated" that debt via a loan against their home (nothing like putting a pair of levis on a 30 year note).
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Not to mention the questionable patriotism of purchasing Chinese products.
 
southwind said:
Did someone put a gun to these peoples head and force them to charge ?...........Time for the individual to take resposibility for their actions ! :shock:
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But they wouldn't have been able to do their patriotic duty. And the way things were back in those "fer us or agin us" days...one could have been called unAmerican for not shopping.
 
Good point Piney.

Time to look at the political make up of Nassau Country(LI).
(Maybe ART in ISP has some knowledge of "this")
 
The political makeup of Nassau County has changed. It used to be a Republican stronghold, but now the DA and County Executive are Democrats.

Our DA does not take any crap from anyone--she is very tough, and definitely has higher ambitions. So I think if there is a case against Wal Mart she will make it.

She is the one who put up a wall of shame posting photos of everyone ARRESTED for DWI...not convicted, but at the time of ARREST, which the court made her stop.

It will indeed be interesting.

Oh and as I think I said before, my family is strictly prohibited from spending a penny at any Wal Mart controlled company. I will not support the demise of small local businesses and more importantly the economy of China.
 
Piney Bob wrote:

It is a "Juicy Plum" and Wal-Mart fights organizing efforts with a tenacity that would airline Labor Attorneys blush.

In one Wal-Mart store the butchers had a successful organizing drive at a VERY large and profitable store. Wal-Mart's response? Closed the ENTIRE store!
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I remember their organizing drive....the union went to court and won...WM response was Ok,you can have your stinking union....but only at one place.They do the butchering in one place last I remember and ship the meat all over.They used to butcher on site.
 
PineyBob said:
Did you ever stop to consider that those "Idiotic job Banks" were signed off on by the MANAGEMENT of those UAW represented automakers. Always remember that there are TWO sets of signatures on every union contract.
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They didn't have any choice in the matter. They could "agree" to an idiotic job bank and hope it doesn't run their costs up too much or they could refuse and be hit with a strike and watch their costs go up sooner.
 
JS said:
They didn't have any choice in the matter. They could "agree" to an idiotic job bank and hope it doesn't run their costs up too much or they could refuse and be hit with a strike and watch their costs go up sooner.
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I beg to differ....I'd bet certain things that were signed off on then were in times of good prosperity.....most business' aren't too concerned with costs when the cash is rolling in....only until things get like they are now does it appear on the radar screen.Major airlines didn't have problems with contracts until the bottom fell out.They scrambled...
 
I'm well aware that Wal-Mart sucks and is responsible for a large amount of manufacturing moving offshore. However, that does not excuse the greed of labor unions. They want to monopolize the labor market, and rape and pillage management and the customers just as much as Wal-Mart management does with the retail market and the suppliers of their products. Same tune, different verse!
 
KCFlyer said:
But they wouldn't have been able to do their patriotic duty. And the way things were back in those "fer us or agin us" days...one could have been called unAmerican for not shopping.
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KCFlyer--

When responding to Southwind, don't bother with subtle sarcasm, wit, or nuance; he doesn't get it.


southwind said:
What ? And run it into the ground like the UAW.........and their idiotic "Job Banks" ! :shock:
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Is this the only thing you can think of when it comes to the UAW? The Job Bank is going to be gone soon, in case you've been living in a cave for the last few weeks.

Besides the obvious hand they had in the creation of America's middle class, here's a few other things they played a role in:

* Fought gov't & corporate sanctioned segregation in Southern factories.

* Supported MLK's march on Washington in 1963

* Bailed MLK out of jail

*Opposed the Vietnam war

* Left the AFL-CIO after Labor took a bit of a turn to the right.

* Opposed apartheid (Nelson Mandela celebrated his release with UAW LL600 in DTW on his post prison tour of the US).

* Lit up Automakers for failing to design/market more fuel efficient cars


In my mind, every last one of these things was infinitely more patriotic than buying a "Dualie" in September of 2001.

What have they done lately, you ask? Let's see... Oh yeah! Revamped their CBA's in order to make them more competitive with other auto makers, and are willing to do more so again.

If you're going to insist on one sentence posts, at least make them educated ones...
 
southwind said:
What ? And run it into the ground like the UAW.........and their idiotic "Job Banks" ! :shock:
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There were 2 signatures on the "agreement" to that program. One was that of the Union President, can you guess who the other one was?
 
PineyBob said:
Union Bashers REALLY hate when you/I point this out. It is a really inconvenient truth.

There is plenty of fault to find with the modern day union. However you can not fault a union for trying to get the best deal they can for their members. Afterall isn't that why they have a union?

For those of you who are non union I ask:

If you ask your boss for a $10,000 raise and he gives it to you, whose fault is it you got the raise and the 8 others in your department didn't?
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That question makes no sense. Why is that a bad thing?
 
PineyBob said:
Union Bashers REALLY hate when you/I point this out. It is a really inconvenient truth.

There is plenty of fault to find with the modern day union. However you can not fault a union for trying to get the best deal they can for their members. Afterall isn't that why they have a union?

For those of you who are non union I ask:

If you ask your boss for a $10,000 raise and he gives it to you, whose fault is it you got the raise and the 8 others in your department didn't?
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Bob,

It is a valid point. But it also is not that simple, as there is a de facto monopoly involved. Blame should be laid at the feet of those who gave-in to the requests; that much is clear. But we cannot rid the union of blame as well, as they took advantage of the situation and it is biting them in the butt now. Which brings you to anoother group to blame, legislature, as they gave such monopoly-like power to certain groups.

As to your point about non-union employees negotiating. You know very well that the two are very different... for better and worse. One does not have the monopoly-like power and thus has little leverage beyond the quality and efficiency of his/her work. The other has such power.

All employees should negotiate; but this situation should give rise to discernment in your negotiations.
 
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