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NYT Article on US Overbooking

The operation isn't quite THAT chaotic and clueless. 🙄
I would hope not! But the all the stuff on here about Shares, I was wondering. This should go on the other Topic, what went right since the merger! :lol: :lol:
 
If US says they would lose 1 billion how does Jet Blue do it. Allegiant and other airlines. If they would just offer non-refundable tickets and any change add a fee or pay the price difference there wouldnt be a problem. I believe the real reason they overbook is to collect more money. Once a flight has sold-out all tickets purchased after capacity is almost 4x the amount. They dont care if they bump you, they already got your money.
 
If US says they would lose 1 billion how does Jet Blue do it. Allegiant and other airlines. If they would just offer non-refundable tickets and any change add a fee or pay the price difference there wouldnt be a problem. I believe the real reason they overbook is to collect more money. Once a flight has sold-out all tickets purchased after capacity is almost 4x the amount. They dont care if they bump you, they already got your money.
Plus if they hand out vouchers, it doesn't out of pocket cost them immediately. Plus like you said they got your money, and getting interest off it.
 
If US says they would lose 1 billion how does Jet Blue do it. Allegiant and other airlines. If they would just offer non-refundable tickets and any change add a fee or pay the price difference there wouldnt be a problem. I believe the real reason they overbook is to collect more money. Once a flight has sold-out all tickets purchased after capacity is almost 4x the amount. They dont care if they bump you, they already got your money.

There is no point in Allegiant overbooking, because 100% of their passengers are leisure travelers on non-refundable fares, most of whom are Midwesteners (rock-bottom least likely passenger to no-show). Plus, with most destinations having only three flights a week, some of which have no service from any other airline (like FNL, Ft Collins Colorado), it would be a disaster to have to bump someone.

I think JetBlue chose not to overbook just to be different, so that they could say "Fly us, we'll never bump you because we don't overbook", which is nice but it's not realistic. They won't have a choice in the future -- either overbook or lose money.
 
I believe it's last booked lowest fare. Mr Business may have bought his ticket an hour ago for $899, but Bob Priceline got his 7 months ago for $76, and was the last to get that fare, so he will get bumped. It makes sense. We need the $899, not the $76. Whatever restrictions and rules for each ticket apply but I understand thats the basic idea.

On the contrary, the way it is currently done is that the last persons to check in, who did not have preassigned seat assignments booked in their reservation, are the last to receive seats when the seat map shows full. Now, 30 minutes for departure time, those failing to check in are considered to not be in compliance and there seats are released to those who didn't previously have seat assignments.

It has nothing to do with price paid for the ticket, or even elite status. I've seen Golds on the oversell lists many times before.

The important thing is just to make sure that you have booked a seat assignment when you make your reservation, any seat at all. When you go to check in, and you don't have a seat assignment... and a flight is oversold? You might be out of luck.
 
I think JetBlue chose not to overbook just to be different, so that they could say "Fly us, we'll never bump you because we don't overbook", which is nice but it's not realistic. They won't have a choice in the future -- either overbook or lose money.

And cause all their fares are non-refundable, so if you no-show you don't get your money back.

I think once they roll out their refundable tickets they will start to overbook a little.
 
On the contrary, the way it is currently done is that the last persons to check in, who did not have preassigned seat assignments booked in their reservation, are the last to receive seats when the seat map shows full. Now, 30 minutes for departure time, those failing to check in are considered to not be in compliance and there seats are released to those who didn't previously have seat assignments.

It has nothing to do with price paid for the ticket, or even elite status. I've seen Golds on the oversell lists many times before.

The important thing is just to make sure that you have booked a seat assignment when you make your reservation, any seat at all. When you go to check in, and you don't have a seat assignment... and a flight is oversold? You might be out of luck.

Ah - but there is a trick to getting a seat on a sold out flight - it is called www.usairways.com.

On more than one occasion I have been told by the ticket counter that a flight is overbooked, and they refused to put me on a flight. However, I simply booted up my computer, went to usairways.com, and the web site sold me ticket on the flight, and gave me a seat assignment.

Then, I simply went to the kiosk and checked in. Guess some other passenger with a lower fare than me got bumped if everyone showed up.

Since I am travelling on business, the money wasn't really an issue, BUT - being told a flight was sold out and then being able to buy a ticket on it certainly did piss me off!

So the moral of the story is - I would say that the price paid for a ticket has alot to do with getting on a flight since the ticket I purchased was a last minute full fare.
 
Ah - but there is a trick to getting a seat on a sold out flight - it is called www.usairways.com.

On more than one occasion I have been told by the ticket counter that a flight is overbooked, and they refused to put me on a flight. However, I simply booted up my computer, went to usairways.com, and the web site sold me ticket on the flight, and gave me a seat assignment.

Then, I simply went to the kiosk and checked in. Guess some other passenger with a lower fare than me got bumped if everyone showed up.

Since I am travelling on business, the money wasn't really an issue, BUT - being told a flight was sold out and then being able to buy a ticket on it certainly did piss me off!

So the moral of the story is - I would say that the price paid for a ticket has alot to do with getting on a flight since the ticket I purchased was a last minute full fare.


This is true, done it myself. In fact, it's actually more interesting than what is strictly listed here but I shan't go any further 😛h34r:
 
This is true, done it myself. In fact, it's actually more interesting than what is strictly listed here but I shan't go any further 😛h34r:

Actually - forgot to add one piece of the story.

On one occasion, the gate agent told me the flight was sold out, so I bought a ticket on usairways.com, and then she actually had the nerve to ask me if I wanted to be bumped for a free ticket when I went back to her to check in!
 

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