Obama's Made New Friends !

[dapoes]

What does that have to do with holding people with out charging them, sending them to secret CIA prisons to be tortured? Had Bush not circumvented the USC most of this could have been prevented.

Insofar as the law is concerned, a POW is a POW. I do not believe the law differentiates between the two. Let me know if you find something that states other wise. They may not have been wearing a standard uniform but they were taken in combat since according to W we were at war.

Aww how comforting, i seriously doubt they would afford you the same.

btw have you hugged your jihadist today?

 

[Royal Ambassador]

.....give Bush credit for keeping most of them caged up.

Today, there are about 245 detainees remaining at Guantanamo Bay. At least 525 have been released under Bush's watch.

Link

 

[Cosworth]

Piney,

That is something Bush and his supporters are not able to grasp.

 

[dapoes]

Piney,

That is something Bush and his supporters are not able to grasp.

Tell that to these people. And these people. And their best friends. And to the families of 911.

Its truly embarrassing how "America the Great" has lost its nerve.

Don't be to surprised when this happens.

An we react like this

When all this spineless-wimp leftist BS will eventually leave us with this:

 

[Tug McGroin]

What does that have to do with holding people with out charging them, sending them to secret CIA prisons to be tortured? Had Bush not circumvented the USC most of this could have been prevented.

Insofar as the law is concerned, a POW is a POW. I do not believe the law differentiates between the two. Let me know if you find something that states other wise. They may not have been wearing a standard uniform but they were taken in combat since according to W we were at war.

Had Bush not circumvented the USC most of this could have been prevented.

What part of the US Constitution did Bush circumvent?

Pursuit to the US Constitution and in wake of the 11 September 2001 attacks, the United States Congress passed a resolution known as the "Authorization for the Use of Military Force Against Terrorists" wherein Congress invoked the "War Powers Resolution". Using this authorization, President Bush issued a Presidential Military Order: “Detention, Treatment and Trial of Certain Non-Citizens in the War Against Terrorismâ€￾. The administration chose to call those who it detained under the Presidential Military Orders "enemy combatants".

In 2006 Congress passed "The Military Commissions Act of 2006" which defines “lawfulâ€￾ and “unlawfulâ€￾ enemy combatants.

Insofar as the law is concerned, a POW is a POW. I do not believe the law differentiates between the two. Let me know if you find something that states other wise.

No problem.

The Geneva Convention relative to the Treatment of Prisoners of War defines the requirements for a captive to be eligible for treatment as a POW. A “lawful combatantâ€￾ is a person who commits belligerent acts, and, when captured, is treated as a POW. An “unlawful combatantâ€￾ is someone who commits belligerent acts but does not qualify for POW status under GCIII Articles 4 and 5. (Emphasis added)

The 1942 Supreme Count ruling Ex Parte Quirin specifically states:

By universal agreement and practice, the law of war a distinction between the armed forces and the peaceful populations of belligerent nations and also between those who are lawful and unlawful combatants. Lawful combatants are subject to capture and detention as prisoners of war by opposing military forces. Unlawful combatants are likewise subject to capture and detention, but in addition they are subject to trial and punishment by military tribunals for acts which render their belligerency unlawful. The spy who secretly and without uniform passes the military lines of a belligerent in time of war, seeking to gather military information and communicate it to the enemy, or an enemy combatant who without uniform comes secretly through the lines for the purpose of waging war by destruction of life or property, are familiar examples of belligerents who are generally deemed not to be entitled to the status of prisoners of war, but to be offenders against the law of war subject to trial and punishment by military tribunals. (Emphasis added)

 

[dapoes]

Daoes,
It is heinous that post 9/11 that we treat those who seek to destroy us in the same manner they would treat us. How does this demonstrate the ideals that this country was founded upon?

Oh really? So somehow in your delusion you think we (mis) treat them the same way huh? You mean the same as the torture manual found in an al-Qaeda safe house in Iraq?

And the countless tales of Saddams torture chambers?

BAGHDAD — Pictures of dead Iraqis, with their necks slashed, their eyes gouged out and their genitals blackened, fill a bookshelf. Jail cells, with dried blood on the floor and rusted shackles bolted to the walls, line the corridors. And the screams of what could be imprisoned men in an underground detention center echo through air shafts and sewer pipes.

An Iraqi soldier, who according to the facility's records witnessed the beatings, said interrogators regularly used pliers to remove men's teeth, electric prods to shock men's genitals and drills to cut holes in their ankles.

In one instance, the soldier recalled, he witnessed a Kuwaiti soldier, who had been captured during the 1991 Persian Gulf War, being forced to sit on a broken Pepsi bottle. The man was removed from the bottle only after it filled up with his blood, the soldier said. He said the man later died.

"I have seen interrogators break the heads of men with baseball bats, pour salt into wounds and rape wives in front of their husbands," said former Iraqi soldier Ali Iyad Kareen, 41.

 

[tech2101]

Tell that to these people. And these people. And their best friends. And to the families of 911.

Its truly embarrassing how "America the Great" has lost its nerve.

Don't be to surprised when this happens.

An we react like this

When all this spineless-wimp leftist BS will eventually leave us with this:

Oh the drama.

Why don't you save yourself the misery and go ahead bury yourself in your shelter.

Come on out in 8 years and see what it is like.

 

[tech2101]

Saddams torture chambers?

I guess we should follow suit?

If they do it, we should...

 

[dapoes]

Daoes,

"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."

Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759

"If you want to be free, there is but one way; it is to guarantee an equally full measure of liberty to all your neighbors. There is no other."

Carl Schurz (1829 - 1906)

"Nobody can give you freedom. Nobody can give you equality or justice or anything. If you're a man, you take it."

Malcolm X (1925 - 1965), Malcolm X Speaks, 1965

"I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it."

Thomas Jefferson (1743 - 1826)

“We love death. The US loves life. That is the difference between us two.â€￾

Osama bin Laden

"The wave of the Islamic revolution will soon reach the entire world. Israel as a "fake regime" that "must be wiped off the map"

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad

“The banner of Islam will necessarily be raised when the land is watered with the blood of martyrs,â€￾

Al-Qaeda

 

[dapoes]

I guess we should follow suit?

If they do it, we should...

You have a hard time following along dont you? Gitmo pales in comparison to the horrors that have happened elsewhere. Yet the spineless left liberal schmucks like to paint a picture of how we are "mis-treating" the poor little jihadists.

The CIA sources described a list of six "Enhanced Interrogation Techniques" instituted in mid-March 2002 and used, they said, on a dozen top al Qaeda targets incarcerated in isolation at secret locations on military bases in regions from Asia to Eastern Europe. According to the sources, only a handful of CIA interrogators are trained and authorized to use the techniques:

1. The Attention Grab: The interrogator forcefully grabs the shirt front of the prisoner and shakes him.

2. Attention Slap: An open-handed slap aimed at causing pain and triggering fear.

3. The Belly Slap: A hard open-handed slap to the stomach. The aim is to cause pain, but not internal injury. Doctors consulted advised against using a punch, which could cause lasting internal damage.

4. Long Time Standing: This technique is described as among the most effective. Prisoners are forced to stand, handcuffed and with their feet shackled to an eye bolt in the floor for more than 40 hours. Exhaustion and sleep deprivation are effective in yielding confessions.

5. The Cold Cell: The prisoner is left to stand naked in a cell kept near 50 degrees. Throughout the time in the cell the prisoner is doused with cold water.

6. Water Boarding: The prisoner is bound to an inclined board, feet raised and head slightly below the feet. Cellophane is wrapped over the prisoner's face and water is poured over him. Unavoidably, the gag reflex kicks in and a terrifying fear of drowning leads to almost instant pleas to bring the treatment to a halt.

According to the sources, CIA officers who subjected themselves to the water boarding technique lasted an average of 14 seconds before caving in. They said al Qaeda's toughest prisoner, Khalid Sheik Mohammed, won the admiration of interrogators when he was able to last between two and two-and-a-half minutes before begging to confess.

Gee...I wonder how long he would have lasted in one of his own torture camps.

Go ahead and let your heart bleed for them. Mine wont. :down:

 

[dapoes]

Despite the comments posted regarding al Queda the following still holds true or we as a society are NOTHING.


"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,"


Note the word in bold, as it doesn't say:

Jehovah
Budah
Jesus Christ
Mohammed
Confucus

Remember Christ railed against hypocrisy and what could be more hypocritical than treating the Gitmo "detainees" different than we would treat our own citizens?

Funny how you cling to these ideas, when the extremists would not afford you the same. Give them all the life and liberty you want. They would have no problem turning on you. And not even blink. Hug'em all you want.

 

[delldude]

Piney,

That is something Bush and his supporters are not able to grasp.

Your Congress and Senate apparently agreed with the President.

My,my.....how touchy we are to blasphemy against the chosen one....

 

[dapoes]

When you stand for NOTHING you'll fall for anything.

You're darn skippy I cling to those ideals and principles as my uncle rolled onto Omaha Beach in a Higgins Boat as part of the first wave at Normandy. He along with 2 others survived the landing & fought to preserve those ideals at great peril to his own life.

Hitlers Gestapo & Waffen SS didn't end up anyplace like Gitmo.

He risked his life for the ideals of the founding fathers. What a shame that 60 years later we throw those ideals away in order to feel safer. Even though I miss Uncle Ken I'm glad he's not here to witness the erosion of our ideals! Ie wasn't already dead he would wish he was


So here's to Pfc Kenneth W. Johnson, 357th Infantry Regiment, 90th Division, 3rd Army Corp under George S. Patton. just one of the greatest generation.

Hitlers Gestapo & Waffen SS didn't end up anyplace like Gitmo????

Nope they were taken care of on the spot.
Such as Execution of SS soldiers at Dachau

"The killing of unarmed POWs did not trouble many of the men in I company that day for to them the SS guards did not deserve the same protected status as enemy soldiers who have been captured after a valiant fight. To many of the men in I company, the SS were nothing more than wild, vicious animals whose role in this war was to starve, brutalize, torment, torture and murder helpless civilians." Flint Whitlock, The Rock of Anzio, From Sicily to Dachau: A history of the U.S. 45th Infantry Division

Waffen-SS soldiers were executed by American liberators of Dachau

You see, just as those people you mentioned above, they had real Cajones. You would have run up to them and gave em a big'ol hug.

 

[tech2101]

You can't promote American Ideals by behaving in the same manner as Al Queda or the Gestapo.

That is probably the most coherent and true statement I have seen posted in quite a while.

 

[dapoes]

You can't promote American Ideals by behaving in the same manner as Al Queda or the Gestapo.

Do you really think Al Queda or the Gestapo for that fact gives a rats ass about "American Ideals"??? :blink: