OT Why Work It?

[Frank Szabo]

4/10's doesn't take more people. Also, for me the sooner I can get my 40 in and be done, the better. As for new guys, as long as their willing to learn/work then give 'em a little slack... it was everyone's first day once.

4-10s, if run correctly, doesn't eat up manpower (note words in red highlight).

 

[odie01]

Ok guys back to topic. A question and just a question who would be willing to stop working OT and maybe put their precious CS's and doulble's in jeopardy to show the company we are serious? Oh by the way 4/10 schedules do not take more manpower the manpower is there and can be utilized if it is managed correctly. Also UPS works 3/13's and they are very efficient.

What would you like to see happen Goey? I started a Balls of Steel thread a few months ago, before we went into mediation, and asked the question, "Would you be willing to walk if the call was made to go on strike?" I thought that their would be an overwhelming, "Hell Yes", but all I got was, "the twu will never strike," or, "let's see how this round of negotiations plays out." I have to say I was a little disappointed on how passive some of us are about standing up for what you believe in. Nobody wants to strike, myself included, but until the company realizes that we have had enough, they will keep on pushing for concessions.
Turning down overtime, will that help speed up negotiations? Maybe at the line stations, and I'm willing to do it, but without guidance from our local leadership we will never all be on the same page.
We run a muck, posting about what we should do, to the few mechanics who log onto this sight that care about what is going on. We need leadership in our union and "leadership and twu" is like saying, "military intelligence." It's an oxymoron. AMP can't get here soon enough.

 

[Mechanic]

4/10's doesn't take more people. Also, for me the sooner I can get my 40 in and be done, the better. As for new guys, as long as their willing to learn/work then give 'em a little slack... it was everyone's first day once.

 

[Mechanic]

It does take more manning to man a 4-10 shift. Any 4-10 shift out there you can cut heads, go back to 5-8's and have more heads working. It's basic math.

 

[strikeforce]

Ok guys back to topic. A question and just a question who would be willing to stop working OT and maybe put their precious CS's and doulble's in jeopardy to show the company we are serious? Oh by the way 4/10 schedules do not take more manpower the manpower is there and can be utilized if it is managed correctly. Also UPS works 3/13's and they are very efficient.

Jeopardize the CS policy......will not happen! Guys care more about cs than contract. Period.
I hear a lot of barking, and no bite. All I know is the company stole my kids college education without blinking an eye, and with the TWU's help. Now, after taking it in the shorts for 8 years.. you want me to do what? You want me to give up OT? Are you crazy?! Are you on drugs?
Look, you want to send a message to this company....DO YOUR JOB! Plain and simple. Nothing will move! And take the OT! Win-Win for AMT's. I mean, what don't you all understand? It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that management is clueless at running the operation, this we know. They squandered the 2.1 billion the employees gave them since 2003. They keep giving themselves millions in bonuses, and giving us PAYDAY candybars! What a joke! But guys keep jumping through hoops for this company.....just so they can scam and scheme, and make deals using the CS policy. Pathetic....Dude!
BRING ON AMP!!!!!!!!!
As for some of these company plants on this forum.....repeat after me...MOD SOC OTS! .....Again!

 

[Kev3188]

It does take more manning to man a 4-10 shift. Any 4-10 shift out there you can cut heads, go back to 5-8's and have more heads working. It's basic math.

Not if it's done correctly, as Frank pointed out...

 

[Frank Szabo]

Not if it's done correctly, as Frank pointed out...

Running correctly means a 24/7 operation with some peoples' workweek encompassing weekends with weekdays off. No way in hell would that be attempted and would be "fought" by our so-called representation.

BTW, just to keep somewhat on topic, I removed myself from the overtime list years ago.

For those who haven't read my short bio, I'm a Tool & Diemaker and for quite some time, the overtime offered in my shop was to support the hangers on weekends - ie, go out and do mechanics' jobs while our tooling work was farmed out. That doesn't sit well with me.

 

[Goey]

Okay good we are getting back to the point of this question, but as you can see by some who post it is their motivation to dilute the subject by bringing other issues into the conversation i.e. calling us babies and such and start infighting. Please let's try to avoid diluting this subject and try and use it as a tool and maybe it catches fire and get's talked about as serious in the talking head circles of management.

So to answer the question what result would I like to see well ultimately a decent contract. But do I really think a concerted effort to cease OT on our part will actually happen I have my doubts. But if it did happen O'Boy think of the results, just this topic being discussed and read by the management does alot. Let's light this topic on fire and keep it on top and on point.

Now another point is, the leaders of the TWU will not come out and endorse this topic as this may be considered a job action. So am I concerned that the TWU may be harmed NO, but we would all pay the price of that in the long run. Also is AMP the answer I don't know, but what I do know is that for 25 years the TWU has done little or nothing for us unless some other outside influence is in play (AMFA). This topic should be a grass roots effort not only will it show our negotiators we support them some of whom I truly respect but it will also show the mediator and company we are serious and unified.

If as some have said that there is a current and future shortage of A/P's then this is definetely the time to spark our fire.

 

[odie01]

The time is way over due, like I said, "We need our so called leadership, to spark the fire." Talk is very cheap at this point for us, but worth millions to aa.

 

[Goey]

Okay not the fire I was expecting but over 1500 views, I know that's alot of repeat viewers. So how does this start? Well with a question, what would happen if concerned individuals at JFK, ORD, MIA, LAX, DFW, started putting in their AOI's to be put on the do not call list? I don't mean to exclude anyone so any other stations can join in too. I got mine in.

Remember the old commercial when "E.F. Hutton talks people..........."

 

[odie01]

Hey Goey,
Told you talk is cheap, we have another month to talk about, what should we do?
http://aa.twu.org/Default.asp

 

[AANOTOK]

Okay not the fire I was expecting but over 1500 views, I know that's alot of repeat viewers. So how does this start? Well with a question, what would happen if concerned individuals at JFK, ORD, MIA, LAX, DFW, started putting in their AOI's to be put on the do not call list? I don't mean to exclude anyone so any other stations can join in too. I got mine in.

Remember the old commercial when "E.F. Hutton talks people..........."

You will NEVER, and I repeat NEVER get folks to refuse overtime (not that I'm for it). My department (FSC) they are calling in folks
8 yes 8 hrs early or holding them over 8. People are crawling over each other to get signed up while it's available. You may have some who refuse and go with the "No and let them burn" program, but you will always have just enough to get the job done and AA and their bean counters know this. It's always been said and will always be true, and like it or not, we are our own worst enemy, PERIOD!

 

[eolesen]

OK, I get why you're targeting overtime, but CS?...

If you guys stopped CS'ing, the only thing that might happen is sick calls would go up, and even that saves the company money with your half-pay situation... Not to mention that you're just taking away what little flexibility those doing shift-work have...

 

[AANOTOK]

OK, I get why you're targeting overtime, but CS?...

If you guys stopped CS'ing, the only thing that might happen is sick calls would go up, and even that saves the company money with your half-pay situation... Not to mention that you're just taking away what little flexibility those doing shift-work have...

How do you figure that saves the company money when they pay someone half pay with zero productivity. Then if they have to cover that sick call with "OT", you spend even more. But I do agree, these guys who are ripping folks for talking advantage of the cs policy need to move on and take their gripes elswhere.

 

[DFWFSC]

You will NEVER, and I repeat NEVER get folks to refuse overtime (not that I'm for it). My department (FSC) they are calling in folks
8 yes 8 hrs early or holding them over 8. People are crawling over each other to get signed up while it's available. You may have some who refuse and go with the "No and let them burn" program, but you will always have just enough to get the job done and AA and their bean counters know this. It's always been said and will always be true, and like it or not, we are our own worst enemy, PERIOD!

When I worked at DFW, I knew at least a few hundred guys who were paying in excess of $500 a month in child support. There's no way these guys would refuse OT or CS's even if they wanted to. At my current station we have guys who work 40-50 days in a row due to all the PT'ers who all have second jobs and give away their AA shifts. Their AA job is for benefits only. I made over 65K last year working the ramp in a very small station in part due to guys who cs's off all the time.