OT Why Work It?

[furp]

40 FOR 50 !!!
Forty hours a week if you ever want to see a conrtact or anywhere close to 50 dollars and hour!! 😉 😉 😉 😉

 

[Bob Owens]

If none of us signed the OT list they would simply force OT on the junior guy with the least hours. So instead of people working OT that want to the company simply forces people to work OT. You may turn it down but they will get the OT they need by forcing people to work. As far as 6th and 7th days no such thing here in LGA. They have to run the ECI andhold over before they call in 6th day and it never happens.

For example Joe Blow has to get home to pick up his kids so he never signs the ot list. I turn it down and now they force Joe Blow to work. Because I refuse they wind up forcing someone else who more than likely doesnt want to work OT so does it really do any harm to the Company??

Well I would tell Joe Blow to go pick up his kids. Of course he would need to inform management of his predicament, that due to the short notice he can not stay because he has to pick up his kids and he would try and return if he is able to find accomodations, the company can not force us to do something thats illegal, and not picking up our kids could be illegal if they are under a certain age. They may fire him but the company does not offer childcare facilities like many employers and has plenty of others it can force and my bet is that he would get his job back in arbitration.

Not working OT without a doubt affects the company. Last year the list at JFK was up to around 200 hours, around 1200 I'm told at DFW. If you figure 1500 Mechanics working 1200 hours that comes out to 1,800,000 hours of OT, thats the equivelent of an additional 850 heads for DFW. If nobody worked OT at JFK they would have needed 33 more heads. DFW would need to increase its workforce by up to roughly 50% and JFK by 10% if the mechanics didnt work OT.

If mechanics accross the industry didnt work OT the planes would soon start to run out of time and start to be grounded. DFW would be an absolute disaster. Thats why its considered a job action when a union calls for an OT ban.

We arent alone. Most of the carriers are hiring, and most are having troble finding workers. When AA is offering $20 for an A&P and Panasonic is recruiting kids out of school for $26 its no wonder. I would love to see all the mechanics in the industry refuse OT for one week and see the impact.

Earlier this week I sat in on the companys plans for the year. They need to put out more heavy checks than they have been. The soft threat was that if we could not get it done in house that they would have to outsource. Well what I would like to know is to whom? Where do they think that they and all their competitors that are hiring are getting their mechanics? They are getting them from the places that they say they would outsource to. We already saw how AAR was having trouble finding mechanics for a facility that once employed thousands, they are all gone.

Right now this industry is relying on mechanics working OT and/or two aviation jobs. If all the mechanics simply pulled back to only working 40 hours it would be as if the industry suddenly lost a huge percentage of the mechanic workforce. Why do you think the FAA is in such a quandry as far as fatigue? They know its a problem but they are noit willing to impose duty time limits like the pilots have because if they did then hundreds, if not thousands of aircraft would be grounded. So far the extent of their anti fatigue program for aircraft manintenance is to hang up silly posters that tell us to get 8 hours of sleep a day and terrorize mechanics with LOIs suspensions and fines. I guess they figure if they hang a few out to dry it will scare the rest into being more alert.

 

[Bob Owens]

40 FOR 50 !!!
Forty hours a week if you ever want to see a conrtact or anywhere close to 50 dollars and hour!! 😉 😉 😉 😉

I'm not misinterpreting what you wrote but right now we are working 40hrs for at the most 32 hours pay, not counting the unpaid luch.

 

[Goey]

Thanks Bob, always great insight and yes I too was unclear on Furp's meaning but he is enthusiastic.
And just to be Crystal Clear this is just a question that has yet to be answered. But Cornerstone City's how about some answers next week.

 

[paul1]

not working o/t is not the answer some how or another the company always seems to get by. Just like when there crew sch. calls for 5 guys and only 2 show they don't call o/t and the day goes just fine do delays etc.. etc..


where will they outsource the work china, mexico, and etc just to name a few (repair stations don't need a A&P i.e. most jobs at tulsa don't require a A&P)

Heres one for you bob I filed a greviance over rockwell years ago from what I understand we won the greviance to get all that work done by us, but the intl. gave it back to the company. How does rockwell accomplish line maint. under a repair station license? How does fleet servise accomplish wing ice inspection/check? They have no A&P

Its time for the o/h bases to get on board 24/7

buy the way line mech. out number the base numbers last time I checked

hey goey how is sfo doing after laying off so many guys last year?

 

[will fix for food]

Not working OT without a doubt affects the company. Last year the list at JFK was up to around 200 hours, around 1200 I'm told at DFW. If you figure 1500 Mechanics working 1200 hours that comes out to 1,800,000 hours of OT, thats the equivelent of an additional 850 heads for DFW. If nobody worked OT at JFK they would have needed 33 more heads. DFW would need to increase its workforce by up to roughly 50% and JFK by 10% if the mechanics didnt work OT.

1500 mechanics in DFW worked at least 1200 hours of OT? Incredible.

 

[Bob Owens]

1500 mechanics in DFW worked at least 1200 hours of OT? Incredible.

That would be the high end assuming everrybody worked every hour they were charged. It was probabbly considerably less.

 

[furp]

That would be the high end assuming everrybody worked every hour they were charged. It was probabbly considerably less.

I worked ZERO!!! I refuse to whore myself out for less than UPS mechs make on straight time!!!!

 

[odie01]

Here's a good endorsement for the twu! I'm a very proud member, NOT !!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VJ40GHOflY

 

[Lloyd Grey]

Why do AMT's work overtime? What would happen if we all stopped?

I wonder if Goey was ON overtime when typing this little teaser? Answer: IT AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN

 

[Goey]

No I was not on OT, nor was I at work. I am personally willing to take any action including striking today if it would result in a resolution to our contract I could support. Would you strike?

 

[Duke787]

No I was not on OT, nor was I at work. I am personally willing to take any action including striking today if it would result in a resolution to our contract I could support. Would you strike?

TUL going to 24/7 coverage is not a strike issue for me or most line mechs. Yes 1/7th mechs work weekends BIG DEAL. You don't like working 24/7 at a base station, transfer to a line station. You want us to turn down OT, and go on strike so the base's can keep days and weekends off. Not likely.

For you mechs that did "YOUR TIME" on the line, that means nothing.

 

[Birdman]

Yes 1/7th mechs work weekends BIG DEAL. You don't like working 24/7 at a base station, transfer to a line station.

The compAAny has had the authority to use the full 1/7 weekend staffing for many years now and has taken a pass. The reason? The workforce will not produce on time aircraft when forced to 7 day coverage, and why should we, as we have the best turn times in the industry without it according to manAAgement. The argument that it would be an MRO selling tool is bologna as Tulsa will never have the space for significant outside work. BTW, the latest attempt has also been a dismal failure as a 25 day retro turned into a 45 day fiasco and went from there to a light c. A five day line has produced a light c retro in 18 to 20 days with ot. I don't know how this looks on paper but with my own two eyes it's a no brainer. And lastly, contrary to popular belief there is no animosity in Tulsa towards the line and most believe a high cost of living premium should be paid.

 

[odie01]

The compAAny has had the authority to use the full 1/7 weekend staffing for many years now and has taken a pass. The reason? The workforce will not produce on time aircraft when forced to 7 day coverage, and why should we, as we have the best turn times in the industry without it according to manAAgement. The argument that it would be an MRO selling tool is bologna as Tulsa will never have the space for significant outside work. BTW, the latest attempt has also been a dismal failure as a 25 day retro turned into a 45 day fiasco and went from there to a light c. A five day line has produced a light c retro in 18 to 20 days with ot. I don't know how this looks on paper but with my own two eyes it's a no brainer. And lastly, contrary to popular belief there is no animosity in Tulsa towards the line and most believe a high cost of living premium should be paid.

I agree Bird, no animosity towards the line at AFW either. Hell, half the guys here came from the line and understand the added stress and responsibilities of working live aircraft. One contract, line premium, geo pay, and taxi pay, ok with me. jmo

 

[Deleted member 14439]

I agree Bird, no animosity towards the line at AFW either. Hell, half the guys here came from the line and understand the added stress and responsibilities of working live aircraft. One contract, line premium, geo pay, and taxi pay, ok with me. jmo

+1 I would add an LMP premium, fleet qual premiums and a REAL shift differential 20% for midnights