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Yeah? But who wants to spend their life THERE????? Not me. No offense to those southerners and Bama Boys, but being born and raised in California, NO WAY Jack!! Keep those Grits and Cat Fish 😉
 
Strawman. Housing costs is but one cost of living. I suggest something akin to http://www.bankrate.com/brm/movecalc.asp or http://www.cityrating.com/costofliving.asp or http://www.bestplaces.net/col/col.aspx or http://www.coli.org/compare.asp or http://www.monstermoving.monster.com/Find_...elosmart/rs.asp or http://cgi.money.cnn.com/tools/costoflivin...stofliving.html

Run any of them, and it's roughly 7% less from PIT to Mobile. I'm sure CCY is much more (in the sense that the cost of living drops like a rock).

Most of those are based on data from the American Chamber of Commerce Researchers Association (accra.org) and not simply realtors who are trying to sell you a house.

Also, you assume that the mortgage and/or rent is enough of the chunk of the average income to be the sole determining factor. After this round of concessions, you need to account for healthcare and other short/long term disability insurance and any number of other things.

But since the myth that it's cheapter in MOB than INT or PIT and one can eat a 25%+ paycut and maintain the standard of living has been debunked, let's look at why they really should move the whole thing to MOB--nobody would follow, absent a paid move.

Now, it's titanically stupid to have a single call center for a corporation who needs a call center for much of it's customer interaction. Dumb. If I tried it (my little division of my little company will do 3 billion in revenue and probably net 180 million on that) I'd be hung from the nearest tree. They are talking about work-at-home, which, if done properly, could erase the need to care about where people actually are. Even that is screwed up--they look to be requiring you to be within striking distance of your workplace--as if people who have been on the job for 15+ years cannot figure out how to adapt to procedural changes by reading about it.

In (not so) short, all of the moving and closing things for unionized employees is meant to force people out the door, not produce any meaningful cost advantages. All of the folks in CCY should be whacked due to performance, not due to the cost of rent in CCY.
 
WestCoastGuy said:
Yeah? But who wants to spend their life THERE????? Not me. No offense to those southerners and Bama Boys, but being born and raised in California, NO WAY Jack!! Keep those Grits and Cat Fish 😉
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It's open season on cat fish.. but don't cut my grits!.. You probably just never had any good grits anyway in CA.
 
Alabama, like everywhere else, is stereotyped.

Not everyone in the state drives a pickup, eats grits, and is missing teeth. It's kind of like how not everyone in western PA is a steeler crazed union hardball (ok, they are mostly all steeler crazed), not everyone in North Carolina starts and ends a sentence with "ya'll," not everyone in New York has their horn hard wired to the brain, etc.

There is money on the Gulf Coast.

That said, I don't see many people from PIT, INT, or anywhere else leaving their current home in droves over a $15/hour job--and certainly not one with US.
 
ClueByFour said:
Several things:

1. You will note that the cash compensation of the heads at the most successful airlines (financially) is very, very low. Neeleman makes almost no cash, the SWA folks make almost no cash, yet they are all filthy stinking rich (and with the exception of Wolf/Gangwal, more filthy stinking rich than their US counterparts). Why? Because they are compensated in equity and are running ventures that make money.

what is the biggest difference between JB ceo and UAIR ceo? ok 250k? no JB ceo STARTED the airline with his OWN money (alot of it try 50mill) how much as BL investned in UAIR? LEAD FOLLOW OR GET OUT OF THE WAY. BL should have stood up and said i will work for 1.00 a year salary (of course he could be granted a million options but then that instantly ties his pay for company performance) something people have been advocating for years. BL lacks leadership, and its evident to every line worker out there. Find someone that displays that quality and these troops will rally around the company like in times past. BL even said several times in interviews that he was here at the request of Dr ( my way or liqudate) Bronner. Not say I'm here to try my best to turn the ship around........ MY own personal offer still stands I will Run the show and do so for 1.00. a year at the minium the company saves 459,999.00 bucks.


when is someone going to show up to RUN the airline (as a remeinder ol' gordon bethene becomes available in about 3 weeks)

:shock:
 
PineyBob said:
Isn't Airline executive arrogance almost an oxy moron?

Leading by example is always the way to go. When it came time to charge San Juan Hill did Teddy Roosevelt say, "Go get them boys"? No, he said "Follow-Me" History teaches many lessons on leadership.
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Well spoken, Bob.
 
Ya know,

I just went and read the UAL board, Tilton took an 11% paycut down to 600K+, where Lakefield makes 400K+.

The real impact on me was reading the constant whining over there too, oh would we make a great group of merged employees.

FACT: We work a failing enterprise that is being held up with our cash. In UAL case, the loss of pensions is now a forgone conclusion. The pilkots have a new TA, and Non-union labor is getting another paycut.

FACT: What is next will be unemployment if folks do not pull together at both entities.

What a sad state of affairs, ya I know, it managements fault....DUH!

Does that change anything when it comes to survival tactics? Wow, sounds like a good poll....

Hope777 said:
Looks like Glen Tilton at UAL is willing to help his company survive.

http://www.forbes.com/facesinthenews/2004/...yahoo&referrer=

Why isnt Bruce Lakefiled willing to help?
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