PHX-TUS going to mainline?

[700UW]

So anytime HP starts a new city it can be outsourced.

That is what I thought.

It was in their CBA, you will have ask a twu person why.

 

[barbeetantrums]

So anytime HP starts a new city it can be outsourced.

That is what I thought.

It was in their CBA, you will have ask a twu person why.

Still muddying the issue. What the contract does is protect fleet service jobs despite operational decisions like reducing mainline flights to RJs. Examples being TUS, ICT, COS... Agents at those stations are still employed though all of their flights now utilize RJs. However, under the IAM contract these stations will be outsourced because they do not meet x number of mainline flights. Do you believe that if US Airways East had started a new station, it would staff the ramp with EAST fleet service? I don't think so.

 

[700AW]

me thinks he needs to answer ( since he is a M&R answering a ramp post) why is it that PHL is Outsourcing more GSE work when they have furloughee's

 

[700UW]

Don't work PHL GSE, cant answer, but you can't force a furloughee to take a job in PHL GSE unless they want too.

 

[700AW]

Don't work PHL GSE, cant answer, but you can't force a furloughee to take a job in PHL GSE unless they want too.

so the IAM is happy with letting more work be outsourced rather than keeping work in house. I think we know why you are confused as to why new HP cities could be outsourced, the IAM does not feel like it should burden a Union worker with having to take a job that he may not particularly like in order to keep the contract strong... again we see that the IAM has lost more work under there CBA's . TWU & IBT for HP no lost jobs due to outsourcing

 

[700UW]

Forcing someone to take a job they do not want is slavery, last time I checked that is against the US Constitution.

If you was so concerned, why don't you go to PHL GSE and solve the problem?

And the IAM has or is in the process of filing a grievance.

Remember no union, not even your precious ibt can stop the company from doing anything, they have to go to the grievance procedure.

 

[700AW]

quote name='700UW' date='Apr 22 2006, 10:50 AM' post='374217']
Forcing someone to take a job they do not want is slavery, last time I checked that is against the US Constitution.[/b]So forcing another union group under a contract they have not voted on is ok

If you was so concerned, why don't you go to PHL GSE and solve the problem?
[/b]They can't make enough Cheesesteaks to keep up with me

And the IAM has or is in the process of filing a grievance.

Remember no union, not even your precious ibt can stop the company from doing anything, they have to go to the grievance procedure.
[/quote]
[/b] I thought that the IAM cba scope had endured the test and had been defended in court and that is was iron clad??? the east has lost more jobs under the scope, then IBT has with a weaker( your words) scope.HHmmmmmm........

 

[700UW]

The scope challenge was the for heavy mtc.

The IAM still won, but the company still violated the agreement by outsourcing the heavy on the buses, you have to react to what the company does as there is no violation until the company violates the CBA.

Two trips through bankruptcy in two years is why the jobs were lost, not due to the CBA.

I see you dodged the issue about forcing someone to take a job, typical ibt lack of response.

And there are plenty of places in PHL to get a cheesesteak to keep up with you, so try again.

And you never had the amount of jobs to lose as US did.

 

[700AW]

enough with the BK's you sound like that is all there has ever been done, again, we have not had a bk since 9/11, you had 2, why do you always reflect on it, and before you say it yet again, yes the members voted on it, but why did it even get to the rank and file for a vote?? a POS contract is a POS contract

No dodging here, i can't compete for the title of "Grand poobah of dodging" on here. If we do not give the answer you are looking for, then you call it dodging, you keep trying to bait us to get an aswer that you can turn around to your advantage. most people can see this and no that what you say is not the standard mentality of the rank and file of the East, thank god we know there are plenty of co-workers over there that want to make this work and get along with their new family out west. I thank all of those that are trying to make it happen, alas there are those that want nothing but failure and "see I told you so" to hide there feeble excuse for not wanting to fight for what we need as a united workforce

 

[FutureUScapt]

Not to change topics too much, but the mainline flight to TUS has been loaded into the schedule. It is as follows:

PHX - TUS 10:04a 10:57a HP435 0 319
TUS - PHX 11:40a 12:30p HP29 0 319

 

[700UW]

Because by the bankruptcy code they had to vote on the final offer per 1113c.

And like I said, typical ibt lack of response again.

 

[BoeingBoy]

Because by the bankruptcy code they had to vote on the final offer per 1113c.

That's a little bit of a reach, isn't it?

Jim

 

[700UW]

That is what the IAM lawyers and leadership informed us off we were the 1st contract in years to be abrogated in the airline industry since it was enacted.

 

[john john]

It looks like every contract on the property allows outsourcing. To bad we all can’t stick together on this one BIG issue in stead the company plays us like a fiddle

 

[AIRWOMAN]

Not to change topics too much, but the mainline flight to TUS has been loaded into the schedule. It is as follows:

PHX - TUS 10:04a 10:57a HP435 0 319
TUS - PHX 11:40a 12:30p HP29 0 319

You weren't changing topics.........looks like your attempt at bringing the thread back to it's original topic. Nice try. 😀