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Were you guys hoping for a strike? I'm not sure I understand why you'd want NWA to liquidate and 35,000 people to lose their job. Help me understand this line of thinking.


Come on Finman, On this board, misery loves company. I could not agree more with you. Some people just would rather see the whole company come apart. Not thinking of anyone else working there.

The AMFA mechs don't have the brains the pilots have.

Committing suicide is stupid.


Wow. That was a mouthful. However, couldn't agree more. The problem is that one went on strike (jumped over the cliff) and they thought everyone was gonna follow.......

Obviously, the AMFA mechs have more brains. They are NOT the ones who are stupid enough to put themselves behind the controls of any aircraft a scab has worked on. Suicide? I think you better leave that phrase for the pilots.


And everyone wonders why the pilots didn't follow the Mechanics lead in striking..... NO SOLIDARITY!
 
PTO, it's called a tentative agreement because only the company's and the union's negotiators have agreed to it. The company management has to sign off on it--which they probably will do. And, under Federal law, the entire union membership has to be given a chance to vote up or down on the agreement--which they may or may not do. NWA pilots have shown their mettle in the past.
Are these negotiations open to the members to begin with? I have a feeling they are not and why is that? It just looks to easy for money to be shelled out under the table. Have you been following the “Its Outâ€￾ thread with Kev and Worknshort? It's a laughable joke. They have no trust in their management nor do they have any in their union. Yet they continue to defend the union religion that they pay money to and bash the company that cuts their paychecks. It is crazy. They both think the vote was mishandled yet they will do what ever the IAM tells them to do. Where is the logic in that? Do you think the membership is going to vote out a contract that the union has negotiated? If they did do you think the union would ever let the true vote count be known? No matter what the membership vote is the union will say the contract has been accepted by the membership. So why even bother with the “Tentative Agreementâ€￾? Oh yea it’s a placebo to make the members think they actually have a say.
 
They have no trust in their management nor do they have any in their union. Yet they continue to defend the union religion that they pay money to and bash the company that cuts their paychecks.

Do not ever confuse my pro-labor stance with being pro IAM again.


It is crazy. They both think the vote was mishandled yet they will do what ever the IAM tells them to do.

Says who? Since when are you an expert on what I'll do? Again, just because we banter on a message board does not mean you know who I am or what I stand for.



Where is the logic in that? Do you think the membership is going to vote out a contract that the union has negotiated?

If by "vote out" you mean turn down/reject, then yes, it's happened before.
 
Are these negotiations open to the members to begin with? I have a feeling they are not and why is that? It just looks to easy for money to be shelled out under the table. Have you been following the “Its Outâ€￾ thread with Kev and Worknshort? It's a laughable joke. They have no trust in their management nor do they have any in their union. Yet they continue to defend the union religion that they pay money to and bash the company that cuts their paychecks. It is crazy. They both think the vote was mishandled yet they will do what ever the IAM tells them to do. Where is the logic in that? Do you think the membership is going to vote out a contract that the union has negotiated? If they did do you think the union would ever let the true vote count be known? No matter what the membership vote is the union will say the contract has been accepted by the membership. So why even bother with the “Tentative Agreementâ€￾? Oh yea it’s a placebo to make the members think they actually have a say.


It seems that PTO is getting scared! I hope the pilots and flight attendants vote NO on their TA's. This way they can STRIKE. Guess what happens next? You will be out of a job, SCAB!
 
It seems that PTO is getting scared! I hope the pilots and flight attendants vote NO on their TA's. This way they can STRIKE. Guess what happens next? You will be out of a job, SCAB!
knowing conehead is running the show, the contract must be horrible! STRIKE!!!!
 
The AMFA mechs were led like sleep to slaughter by their union leadership. The union leaders should have been more explicit in disclosing, pre-strike threat, the fact that a strike would result in the irrelevance of AMFA to the future existence of Northwest Airlines, and then allow an informed membership to determine their collective fate.

To the credit of the IAM, PFAA, and ALPA-represented employees, their union heads were direct and forthcoming in articulating the consequences of a strike, and moved heaven and earth to prevent one.

Truly unbelievable! "Led like sheep."?

AMFA AMTs knew exactly what they were doing when they went on strike. They were fighting for thier professions! You honestly believe that AMFA AMTs would vote half their own jobs away? You truly are an ignorant coward.

AMFA did what EVERY union at NWA should have done. STRIKE! You must trust the management team at NWA. Now who's the sheep? An informed AMFA membership knew what they were doing. They were doing THE RIGHT THING!

The remaining unions at NWA did not move Heaven and Earth. They simply raised their collective arses higher into the air!

Why should concessions be given at NWA? That airline couldn't make money if all the other airlines stopped flying.

The iam jumped with glee when AMFA struck. Why?

The AMFA represented AMTs at NWA can go through life knowing what dignity and pride for one's craft & profession is all about. They will be able to look at themselves in the mirror EVERY day of their lives and like what they see. Except the SCABS. May they rot in the hottest bowls of their self inflicted cowardice.
 
NWA pilots may keep 24% pay cut
Other details of deal are disclosed

A temporary 24% pay cut that Northwest Airlines pilots took in November will stick if the pilots ratify the tentative deal their union reached with the carrier Friday.

The Air Line Pilots Association released some details Sunday about the tentative agreement with the airline, which is based in Eagan, Minn., and reorganizing through Chapter 11 bankruptcy.

The two sides had been negotiating around the clock before reaching a deal Friday afternoon. The tentative deal keeps a bankruptcy judge from having to decide whether he should throw out the pilots' contract and allow Northwest to impose lower wages and new work rules, a prospect that prompted the pilots to threaten to strike. A strike would have shut down the airline and could have put it out of business.

Here are key issues addressed in the deal:

# Pay cuts and work rules

The agreement keeps the 24% pay cut and includes raises of 1.5% in 2008, 2009 and 2010, and a 2% raise in 2011. The pilots' pay cut falls about 4% short of the cut Northwest sought in October, said Wade Blaufuss, ALPA communications chair.

The 24% pay cut is on top of previous wage cuts. The pilots took a 15% pay cut in 2004, part of a concessionary deal that saved the airline $250 million a year.

With the 24% cut, a Boeing 747 captain in his 12th year who flies 75 hours a month, a typical schedule, saw his base wage drop from $220.88 an hour in flight, or about $198,700 a year, to $168 an hour, or $151,200 annually. A 12th-year DC9 first officer's base hourly wage dropped from $111 an hour in flight, or $99,900 a year, to $84 an hour, or $75,600 a year.

More @ Detroit Free Press
 
wonder why theyre keeping the little bitty details a secret. but it probably isnt too terribly good any how
 
It seems that PTO is getting scared! I hope the pilots and flight attendants vote NO on their TA's. This way they can STRIKE. Guess what happens next? You will be out of a job, SCAB!
Let's assume, for the sake of argument, that NWA goes tits up next week...I just checked some of the employment web sites, and there are job offers up the wazoo. I got 3 phone calls, and about 5 or 6 cards from various houses just this week alone. I would have a job before my tools are loaded on my truck.
As an aside, most of these houses are paying about a buck fifty more today than they were last year. This puzzles me, as all I have heard lately is how this current situation at NW has driven DOWN wages.....kinda curious, dontcha think?
 
Let's assume, for the sake of argument, that NWA goes tits up next week...I just checked some of the employment web sites, and there are job offers up the wazoo. I got 3 phone calls, and about 5 or 6 cards from various houses just this week alone. I would have a job before my tools are loaded on my truck.
As an aside, most of these houses are paying about a buck fifty more today than they were last year. This puzzles me, as all I have heard lately is how this current situation at NW has driven DOWN wages.....kinda curious, dontcha think?


Not really.

With the amount of bad press around the industry, this field isn't attracting those it used to. Those individuals just entering the job market with talent/technical skills, are employing them in more lucrative fields. As most of the FBOs and service organizations are jump off points in most new AMT careers, it only stands to reason that with out the amount of interested parties they were used to entertaining, they had to sweeten the pot.

The interesting part about all of this was prior to 9-11 there was an AMT shortage. This led in part to the contracts obtained by NWA and UAL respective. The blantant destruction of many of the benefits associated with airline maintenance should only exacerbate the pending shortage, which the post 9-11 layoffs only delayed.
 
Not really.

With the amount of bad press around the industry, this field isn't attracting those it used to. Those individuals just entering the job market with talent/technical skills, are employing them in more lucrative fields. As most of the FBOs and service organizations are jump off points in most new AMT careers, it only stands to reason that with out the amount of interested parties they were used to entertaining, they had to sweeten the pot.

The interesting part about all of this was prior to 9-11 there was an AMT shortage. This led in part to the contracts obtained by NWA and UAL respective. The blantant destruction of many of the benefits associated with airline maintenance should only exacerbate the pending shortage, which the post 9-11 layoffs only delayed.
Good points....I shall ponder on them...thanks
 
Let's assume, for the sake of argument, that NWA goes tits up next week...I just checked some of the employment web sites, and there are job offers up the wazoo. I got 3 phone calls, and about 5 or 6 cards from various houses just this week alone. I would have a job before my tools are loaded on my truck.
As an aside, most of these houses are paying about a buck fifty more today than they were last year. This puzzles me, as all I have heard lately is how this current situation at NW has driven DOWN wages.....kinda curious, dontcha think?

Let's see $15.00/hr + $1.50/hr = $16.50/hr Wow! I could buy me a new single wide trailer working for all that money. Yeah,gangreene you'd have a job, but you would have to live at work to survive. You cut your own scab throat for a free hotel room. Sold out your own profession to work for substandard AMT wages and to destroy your own career.
 
Let's assume, for the sake of argument, that NWA goes tits up next week...I just checked some of the employment web sites, and there are job offers up the wazoo. I got 3 phone calls, and about 5 or 6 cards from various houses just this week alone. I would have a job before my tools are loaded on my truck.
As an aside, most of these houses are paying about a buck fifty more today than they were last year. This puzzles me, as all I have heard lately is how this current situation at NW has driven DOWN wages.....kinda curious, dontcha think?


Spoken like a true SCAB! Are you related to that PTO thing, I meant SCAB?
 

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