Pilots, Please Confirm Or Deny!

[aafsc]

Excuse me Mr big MD80 driver. You probably look sweet in your new leather jacket.

It is your kind that get on the company frequencies and complain that APU's are left running when you arrive at your aircraft. Last week with freezing temperatures, the APU was left on to run the packs so the cleaners could clean the aircraft and the caters could cater it and not freeze their yams off. The Captain went on and on and on about the fuel being wasted.

THAT IS THE SELF SEVING SELFISH CRAP I AM REFERRING TO, MR. BIG MD80 DRIVER!

Too bad thepilots never got non rev boarding priority over the rest of us lowly airline employees. you would have looked so sweet at the front of the line in your new leather flight jacket!
SUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

By the way, TOM CRUISE, the last time the pilots had balls and supported another
union was at EASTERN AIRLINES to defy the great dictator, Frank Lorenzo!

They knew all employees had their heads on the chopping block. They put their careers on the line. THOSE WERE PILOTS, MY BOY.
"If we do not hang together, we shall surely hang separately."
Thomas Paine

[post="234718"][/post]​

I know what you mean about pilots b1tching on the radio. AT my city sometimes we have only 2 crews consisting of 2 or 3 people each and 4 planes on the ground at one time with no open gates. We have to unload the plane, takes the bags to bag claim, come back and tow the planes from the gate to the pad, and bring the next plane in. This means that the waiting aircraft is burning fuel for about 30 minutes. Of course, the pilots blame the ramp for this. The other day a captain got pi$$ed at me because the caterer was not moving fast enough. And to show you how bad some of them can be, one day the ramp was closed due to a thunderstorm. A 757 captain was going on and on about how the passengers were being inconvienced and that they would never fly AA again. When I explained to him how our lightning detection system worked and that I have worked in stations where rampers have been struck by lightning, he did not care. He just kept going on and on about how the passengers were being inconvienced.

I was at EAL and the pilots did not honor the picket line for the love of another group. They honored the picket line because they were smart enpugh to know that Lorenzo was going to come after them sooner or later anyway. They saw what he did to ALPA at Continental.

 

[StraaightTaalk]

A 757 captain was going on and on about how the passengers were being inconvienced and that they would never fly AA again. When I explained to him how our lightning detection system worked and that I have worked in stations where rampers have been struck by lightning, he did not care. He just kept going on and on about how the passengers were being inconvienced.

I was at EAL and the pilots did not honor the picket line for the love of another group. They honored the picket line because they were smart enpugh to know that Lorenzo was going to come after them sooner or later anyway. They saw what he did to ALPA at Continental.

[post="234740"][/post]​

Bet he is the same type of pilot, though, that doesn't ever bother greeting passengers at the door of the airplane; that gets on 20 minutes before departure, expecting his coffee and bottle of water; then tramples the passengers to get off the plane first, either to catch his commuter flight home, or to go hang out in the crew lounge with similar "masters of the universe," sitting around congratulating themselves on how important they are.

So much for caring about whether or not passengers will ever fly AA again. Most AA pilots only care about passenger inconvenience when it affects them personally.
They don't have a clue about customer service, and they don't care.

The Continental pilots whored themselves to management in 1981, by signing an agreement to cross the flight attendants' picket line, and then found out, two years later, what karma was all about.

 

[Buck]

Bet he is the same type of pilot, though, that doesn't ever bother greeting passengers at the door of the airplane; that gets on 20 minutes before departure, expecting his coffee and bottle of water; then tramples the passengers to get off the plane first, either to catch his commuter flight home, or to go hang out in the crew lounge with similar "masters of the universe," sitting around congratulating themselves on how important they are.

So much for caring about whether or not passengers will ever fly AA again. Most AA pilots only care about passenger inconvenience when it affects them personally.
They don't have a clue about customer service, and they don't care.

The Continental pilots whored themselves to management in 1981, by signing an agreement to cross the flight attendants' picket line, and then found out, two years later, what karma was all about.

[post="234746"][/post]​

Please? More about the TWU refusing any kind of insourcing of work?

 

[AA80Driver]

Yes, right. You post ridiculous assertions about AA/APA's pilots and their concern about insourcing work for other employee groups, and then tell others they are trolling for a fight. :down:

Enjoy that IGNORE feature and go throw your temper tantrums elsewhere.

[post="234722"][/post]​

Who's throwing the temper tantrum? I simply think the APA should do what's in the best interest of their membership. So shouldn't the TWU and APFA. As for ridiculous assertions, I merely pointed out a scenario where the APA was negotiating to capture additional work and the TWU & APFA weren't interested. I have no desire to see any work group at AA have their work outsourced.

 

[AA80Driver]

I suppose only pilots are the only ones to be commended for serving in the reserves.

[post="234725"][/post]​

No, there are plenty of people who should be commended for their service. Many deserve a lot more than pilots based on the difficulty of their jobs and the risks and conditions they endure everday.

 

[StraaightTaalk]

Who's throwing the temper tantrum? I simply think the APA should do what's in the best interest of their membership. So shouldn't the TWU and APFA. As for ridiculous assertions, I merely pointed out a scenario where the APA was negotiating to capture additional work and the TWU & APGA weren't interested. I have no desire to see any work group at AA have their work outsourced.

[post="234751"][/post]​

Typical AA/APA pilot backpeddling. You still have not come up with any details of this munificent attempt at insourcing more jobs at AA. The AA/APA pilots care about nobody but themselves.

I guess you can't handle being questioned, and can't be bothered backing up your statements. Your god-complex doesn't play well here. We are not just willing to accept what you have to say as gospel, just because you are a pilot. Frankly, I discount about 90 percent of the rumors I hear from other employee groups, except for the pilots, for whom I discount 100 percent, because I know that the spin they put on every rumor is simply meant to divide the other employee groups, leaving more for their selfish selves.

Nice job of avoiding the issue. Unfortunately, all too typical of your kind.

:down:

 

[Wretched Wrench]

As far as the UAL TA goes, what's wrong with linking pension concessions to an everybody or nobody protocol.

In and of itself, there is nothing wrong with that. However, the pilots are having one pension terminated, but there will be millions and millions given by UA into another fund for them. Will the other work groups be treated similarly? Nothing is said about that.


Like the pigs in Orwell's Animal Farm, "some of us are more equal than others."

 

[AAStew]

Wow....this is exactly what I mean when I say AA pits and nurtures workgrouP against workgroup.
I don't know anything about the first rumor but I do know there is a grassroots movement on the employee buyout on the pilots part, I don't remember the website offhand but I will post it when i find it.
The APU's are not being run by the cOmpany's order to the pilots. It does burn unnecessary fuel...unfortunately other workgroups were never advised of this directive. Another example of the company's successful attempts to divide us further.
As for the leather jackets, give them a freaking break! Who cares if they wear leather jackets anymore than who cares if you wear a wool coat? They pay for this themselves!
If you notice by my posts in december, they were not my favorite workgroup of the month, but you have to stand back and look at things rationally, once in a while!

 

[StraaightTaalk]

Wow....this is exactly what I mean when I say AA pits and nurtures workgrouP against workgroup.
I don't know anything about the first rumor but I do know there is a grassroots movement on the employee buyout on the pilots part, I don't remember the website offhand but I will post it when i find it.
The APU's are not being run by the cOmpany's order to the pilots. It does burn unnecessary fuel...unfortunately other workgroups were never advised of this directive. Another example of the company's successful attempts to divide us further.
As for the leather jackets, give them a freaking break! Who cares if they wear leather jackets anymore than who cares if you wear a wool coat? They pay for this themselves!
If you notice by my posts in december, they were not my favorite workgroup of the month, but you have to stand back and look at things rationally, once in a while!

[post="234782"][/post]​

While the company does a great job of divide and conquer, the pilots themselves perpetuate the division by their self-entitled attitude.

I could care less about their leather jackets. All that tells me is that this group of middle-aged, paunchy (in most cases) men are trying to make a final grab at their youth by trying to appear "cool." That's their problem, not mine.

The employee buyout will undoubtedly fail simply because it is the pilots who are bringing it forward. I have seen the list of names of the people on the committee trying to get this thing going, and I have flown with some of them. Not impressed.

 

[AAviator]

70 seaters. The company would bring them to the AA certificate if it were "cost neutral". APFA and the TWU wanted no part of it. Fire away.

 

[StraaightTaalk]

70 seaters. The company would bring them to the AA certificate if it were "cost neutral". APFA and the TWU wanted no part of it. Fire away.

[post="234811"][/post]​

In other words, Eagle flying at Eagle wages.

How appropriate that one of your kind (incumbent pilots) would advocate the creation of a C-scale on this property. Sounds like 1983 all over again.

You'd sell your mothers to save your own butts. :down:

 

[A/C FIXER]

"The APA leadership has approached the company and basically stated that they would support any and all outsourcing from the ramp people to the aircraft maintenance. They basically said they are the most valuable employees and would do "whatever necessary" to perserve their pay and benefits and most of all their pensions."

Recently seen on a t-shirt in TUL

" Without aircraft maintenance, pilots are nothing more than pedestrians with leather jackets and cool sunglasses"


"Think about planes being outsourced to Mexico and ASIA and South America that is so lax and in anti American environments. Now think about one of these foreign workers who just got a big payoff from a terrorist group to place an " explosive device" somewhere on the aircraft to be detonated at a later time.
Never mind the US jobs lost to outsourcing, have you ONCE thought about the minimum security repair stations?"
You know Hopeful is 100% correct in his above statement, when the Feds won't hold foreign reapir stations to the same security/drug/work standards/ as U.S. repair stations, its just a matter of time before we lose more co-workers to terrorist activities. :angry:

 

[StraaightTaalk]

"The APA leadership has approached the company and basically stated that they would support any and all outsourcing from the ramp people to the aircraft maintenance. They basically said they are the most valuable employees and would do "whatever necessary" to perserve their pay and benefits and most of all their pensions."

Recently seen on a t-shirt in TUL

" Without aircraft maintenance, pilots are nothing more than pedestrians with leather jackets and cool sunglasses"
"Think about planes being outsourced to Mexico and ASIA and South America that is so lax and in anti American environments. Now think about one of these foreign workers who just got a big payoff from a terrorist group to place an " explosive device" somewhere on the aircraft to be detonated at a later time.
Never mind the US jobs lost to outsourcing, have you ONCE thought about the minimum security repair stations?"
You know Hopeful is 100% correct in his above statement, when the Feds won't hold foreign reapir stations to the same security/drug/work standards/ as U.S. repair stations, its just a matter of time before we lose more co-workers to terrorist activities. :angry:

[post="234816"][/post]​

AMEN...on ALL points.

 

[AAviator]

In other words, Eagle flying at Eagle wages.

How appropriate that one of your kind (incumbent pilots) would advocate the creation of a C-scale on this property. Sounds like 1983 all over again.

You'd sell your mothers to save your own butts. :down:

[post="234815"][/post]​

Ah, its open season again on pilots. Actually its never closed.

StraaightTaalk, In case you haven't noticed, those jobs are gone. The TWU and the APFA didn't want to keep their members employed it seems. I can think of quite a few furloughed pilots on the street that would take that job. Eagle captain pay is more than our 737, and MD80 f/o pay. I'll bet there's quite a few flight attendants that wouldn't mind as well. I've run into some furloughed APFA member working AT eagle.

Where do you come up with stuff like this?
"The APA leadership has approached the company and basically stated that they would support any and all outsourcing from the ramp people to the aircraft maintenance. They basically said they are the most valuable employees and would do "whatever necessary" to perserve their pay and benefits and most of all their pensions."

Your hate for pilots is obvious. But to answer your original question, I've never heard of anything like this coming down the pike.

 

[StraaightTaalk]

Ah, its open season again on pilots. Actually its never closed.

StraaightTaalk, In case you haven't noticed, those jobs are gone. The TWU and the APFA didn't want to keep their members employed it seems. I can think of quite a few furloughed pilots on the street that would take that job. Eagle captain pay is more than our 737, and MD80 f/o pay. I'll bet there's quite a few flight attendants that wouldn't mind as well. I've run into some furloughed APFA member working AT eagle.

Where do you come up with stuff like this?
"The APA leadership has approached the company and basically stated that they would support any and all outsourcing from the ramp people to the aircraft maintenance. They basically said they are the most valuable employees and would do "whatever necessary" to perserve their pay and benefits and most of all their pensions."

Your hate for pilots is obvious. But to answer your original question, I've never heard of anything like this coming down the pike.

[post="234821"][/post]​

In case YOU haven't noticed, the creation of lower, new-hire wage scales has never solved anything. Rather, their creation push the problems further into the future. But, then again, AA pilots have always had a very short institutional memory, blinded by their own concern for themselves at that very moment.

The quote you ascribe to me was not mine. Be more careful in your citations.

Quite frankly, I do not hate pilots. I work very well with them while on the job, despite their disdain for other employee groups. Again, leave it to a pilot to mistake disagreement for hatred. I do not hate you. I hate what you represent.

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