High Speed Steel
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Not true. Your pension accrued for 8 years and you had 8 years of stable imployment in comparison to others within the proffession.
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Not true. Your pension accrued for 8 years and you had 8 years of stable imployment in comparison to others within the proffession.
Frank Szabo
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Now, thanks to laws allowing bankruptcy to be a strategic part of a corporation's business plan, we get to do the same thing - just a few years later after we were sold lies by your favorite group of prevaricators so the management can play leapfrog at our expense.
I said it was crap then and repeat it now. I have no interest in keeping he unaccountable in their preferred lifestyles and can't imagine why anyone else would want to do so unless they have ulterior motives or have been promised something.
I believe this time, that is the coming vote for the M&R, an open shop would've produced a different outcome by placing the TWU under pressure to pay for their expenses. One being the representation of dues objectors, even without receiving dues from those not participating in the union. Please correct me if I am wrong.
OP
- Nov 4, 2003
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Let's hurry up and give away the farm again, so those others you compare us to have to eat a sh$t sanwhich again.
Then after another 8 we can say we had it better than they did, when if fact we caused their pain and suffering by giving concessions for jobs. They just chose to keep their pay, benefits, and work rules in tact. After you chose to give them away.
What part of everytime we give, they have to match do you not understand?
And then after they give to match yours, then AA comes for yours again.
OP
- Nov 4, 2003
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- Thread Starter
- #80
Your only Union leverage left as this point is that NO plan of Reorganization has ever been approved by a Bankruptcy Court without consensual agreements from Unions on the property. You must force negotiations to move closer to the emergence plan deadline to succeed.
Voting NO will require negotiations to continue with a deadline for AA to get a plan together.
AS the deadline nears AA will have to move closer to the Unions demand or no plan to emerge will be approved because consensual agreements with the Unions must be in place before judge will approve a plan of reorganization.
Removing this leverage now is the worst thing a Union person could do.
The TWU is attempting to use unfounded fear to get you to vote to remove the only leverage we have left.
The reason the TWU is doing this is to attempt to save jobs and dues payers.
If you are willing to sellout the future of the profession, then vote YES.
If you are willing to take a stand and stop the bleeding this profession has suffered then vote NO.
AA is not even asking to cancel your contract, they are asking to modify your contract to reduce cost.
If the contract were to be cancelled then job actions could take place and the company could not obtain injunctions to stop job actions.
If the contract were to be cancelled then there would be NO closed shop and the TWU would suffer loss of dues income.
Your contract will NOT be cancelled, it will be modified and negotiations must resume.
Neither AA or the TWU will seek complete cancellation of your contract.
TWU is the only Union "tapping" out before the fight even begins.
AA Pilots and F/A's are not in any hurry to sellout their members like the TWU is.
AA Pilots and F/S's are basically sitting and whittling sticks while the TWU is running around like a chicken without a head.
The TWU is only doing this to save some jobs and cannot even give you an exact number being saved.
The Outsource Language will allow AA to reduce headcount anyway over the six agreement period. No jobs are really being saved at all.
In 1995 we gave them 25% SRP's and 6 1/2% over 6 years in pay raises to save jobs and turn this company around.
In 2003 we gave 17.5% paycut, Holidays, Vacation, and Sick time to turn this company around.
2012....17 years later, you are being asked to give again.
We cannot save AA from itself with concessions. This has been proven over 17 years.
Now is the time to take a stand and stop the concessions for jobs that does nothing to secure your overall future.
How many times must you allow the TWU to use FEAR to destroy your own future and job to save an imaginary headcount that turns out to be untrue?
VOTE NO, TAKE A STAND, DO NOT BEND TO TWU FEAR!!!
Voting NO will require negotiations to continue with a deadline for AA to get a plan together.
AS the deadline nears AA will have to move closer to the Unions demand or no plan to emerge will be approved because consensual agreements with the Unions must be in place before judge will approve a plan of reorganization.
Removing this leverage now is the worst thing a Union person could do.
The TWU is attempting to use unfounded fear to get you to vote to remove the only leverage we have left.
The reason the TWU is doing this is to attempt to save jobs and dues payers.
If you are willing to sellout the future of the profession, then vote YES.
If you are willing to take a stand and stop the bleeding this profession has suffered then vote NO.
AA is not even asking to cancel your contract, they are asking to modify your contract to reduce cost.
If the contract were to be cancelled then job actions could take place and the company could not obtain injunctions to stop job actions.
If the contract were to be cancelled then there would be NO closed shop and the TWU would suffer loss of dues income.
Your contract will NOT be cancelled, it will be modified and negotiations must resume.
Neither AA or the TWU will seek complete cancellation of your contract.
TWU is the only Union "tapping" out before the fight even begins.
AA Pilots and F/A's are not in any hurry to sellout their members like the TWU is.
AA Pilots and F/S's are basically sitting and whittling sticks while the TWU is running around like a chicken without a head.
The TWU is only doing this to save some jobs and cannot even give you an exact number being saved.
The Outsource Language will allow AA to reduce headcount anyway over the six agreement period. No jobs are really being saved at all.
In 1995 we gave them 25% SRP's and 6 1/2% over 6 years in pay raises to save jobs and turn this company around.
In 2003 we gave 17.5% paycut, Holidays, Vacation, and Sick time to turn this company around.
2012....17 years later, you are being asked to give again.
We cannot save AA from itself with concessions. This has been proven over 17 years.
Now is the time to take a stand and stop the concessions for jobs that does nothing to secure your overall future.
How many times must you allow the TWU to use FEAR to destroy your own future and job to save an imaginary headcount that turns out to be untrue?
VOTE NO, TAKE A STAND, DO NOT BEND TO TWU FEAR!!!
Yea and we all got 8 years older so finding new employment for those who do not make it or have finally had enough is just that much harder, less time to accrue benefits & retirement from a new job but I forgot you look at this from only whats best for you and the Intl
OP
- Nov 4, 2003
- 7,550
- 3,767
- Thread Starter
- #82
Your only Union leverage left as this point is that NO plan of Reorganization has ever been approved by a Bankruptcy Court without consensual agreements from Unions on the property. You must force negotiations to move closer to the emergence plan deadline to succeed.
Voting NO will require negotiations to continue with a deadline for AA to get a plan together.
AS the deadline nears AA will have to move closer to the Unions demand or no plan to emerge will be approved because consensual agreements with the Unions must be in place before judge will approve a plan of reorganization.
Removing this leverage now is the worst thing a Union person could do.
The TWU is attempting to use unfounded fear to get you to vote to remove the only leverage we have left.
The reason the TWU is doing this is to attempt to save jobs and dues payers.
If you are willing to sellout the future of the profession, then vote YES.
If you are willing to take a stand and stop the bleeding this profession has suffered then vote NO.
AA is not even asking to cancel your contract, they are asking to modify your contract to reduce cost.
If the contract were to be cancelled then job actions could take place and the company could not obtain injunctions to stop job actions.
If the contract were to be cancelled then there would be NO closed shop and the TWU would suffer loss of dues income.
Your contract will NOT be cancelled, it will be modified and negotiations must resume.
Neither AA or the TWU will seek complete cancellation of your contract.
TWU is the only Union "tapping" out before the fight even begins.
AA Pilots and F/A's are not in any hurry to sellout their members like the TWU is.
AA Pilots and F/S's are basically sitting and whittling sticks while the TWU is running around like a chicken without a head.
The TWU is only doing this to save some jobs and cannot even give you an exact number being saved.
The Outsource Language will allow AA to reduce headcount anyway over the six agreement period. No jobs are really being saved at all.
In 1995 we gave them 25% SRP's and 6 1/2% over 6 years in pay raises to save jobs and turn this company around.
In 2003 we gave 17.5% paycut, Holidays, Vacation, and Sick time to turn this company around.
2012....17 years later, you are being asked to give again.
We cannot save AA from itself with concessions. This has been proven over 17 years.
Now is the time to take a stand and stop the concessions for jobs that does nothing to secure your overall future.
How many times must you allow the TWU to use FEAR to destroy your own future and job to save an imaginary headcount that turns out to be untrue?
VOTE NO, TAKE A STAND, DO NOT BEND TO TWU FEAR!!!
Voting NO will require negotiations to continue with a deadline for AA to get a plan together.
AS the deadline nears AA will have to move closer to the Unions demand or no plan to emerge will be approved because consensual agreements with the Unions must be in place before judge will approve a plan of reorganization.
Removing this leverage now is the worst thing a Union person could do.
The TWU is attempting to use unfounded fear to get you to vote to remove the only leverage we have left.
The reason the TWU is doing this is to attempt to save jobs and dues payers.
If you are willing to sellout the future of the profession, then vote YES.
If you are willing to take a stand and stop the bleeding this profession has suffered then vote NO.
AA is not even asking to cancel your contract, they are asking to modify your contract to reduce cost.
If the contract were to be cancelled then job actions could take place and the company could not obtain injunctions to stop job actions.
If the contract were to be cancelled then there would be NO closed shop and the TWU would suffer loss of dues income.
Your contract will NOT be cancelled, it will be modified and negotiations must resume.
Neither AA or the TWU will seek complete cancellation of your contract.
TWU is the only Union "tapping" out before the fight even begins.
AA Pilots and F/A's are not in any hurry to sellout their members like the TWU is.
AA Pilots and F/S's are basically sitting and whittling sticks while the TWU is running around like a chicken without a head.
The TWU is only doing this to save some jobs and cannot even give you an exact number being saved.
The Outsource Language will allow AA to reduce headcount anyway over the six agreement period. No jobs are really being saved at all.
In 1995 we gave them 25% SRP's and 6 1/2% over 6 years in pay raises to save jobs and turn this company around.
In 2003 we gave 17.5% paycut, Holidays, Vacation, and Sick time to turn this company around.
2012....17 years later, you are being asked to give again.
We cannot save AA from itself with concessions. This has been proven over 17 years.
Now is the time to take a stand and stop the concessions for jobs that does nothing to secure your overall future.
How many times must you allow the TWU to use FEAR to destroy your own future and job to save an imaginary headcount that turns out to be untrue?
VOTE NO, TAKE A STAND, DO NOT BEND TO TWU FEAR!!!
Why is it imperative that the TWU have a consensual agreement?It is rather clear that both the union and the company require this.
OP
- Nov 4, 2003
- 7,550
- 3,767
- Thread Starter
- #86
Your only Union leverage left as this point is that NO plan of Reorganization has ever been approved by a Bankruptcy Court without consensual agreements from Unions on the property. You must force negotiations to move closer to the emergence plan deadline to succeed.
Voting NO will require negotiations to continue with a deadline for AA to get a plan together.
AS the deadline nears AA will have to move closer to the Unions demand or no plan to emerge will be approved because consensual agreements with the Unions must be in place before judge will approve a plan of reorganization.
Removing this leverage now is the worst thing a Union person could do.
The TWU is attempting to use unfounded fear to get you to vote to remove the only leverage we have left.
The reason the TWU is doing this is to attempt to save jobs and dues payers.
If you are willing to sellout the future of the profession, then vote YES.
If you are willing to take a stand and stop the bleeding this profession has suffered then vote NO.
AA is not even asking to cancel your contract, they are asking to modify your contract to reduce cost.
If the contract were to be cancelled then job actions could take place and the company could not obtain injunctions to stop job actions.
If the contract were to be cancelled then there would be NO closed shop and the TWU would suffer loss of dues income.
Your contract will NOT be cancelled, it will be modified and negotiations must resume.
Neither AA or the TWU will seek complete cancellation of your contract.
TWU is the only Union "tapping" out before the fight even begins.
AA Pilots and F/A's are not in any hurry to sellout their members like the TWU is.
AA Pilots and F/S's are basically sitting and whittling sticks while the TWU is running around like a chicken without a head.
The TWU is only doing this to save some jobs and cannot even give you an exact number being saved.
The Outsource Language will allow AA to reduce headcount anyway over the six agreement period. No jobs are really being saved at all.
In 1995 we gave them 25% SRP's and 6 1/2% over 6 years in pay raises to save jobs and turn this company around.
In 2003 we gave 17.5% paycut, Holidays, Vacation, and Sick time to turn this company around.
2012....17 years later, you are being asked to give again.
We cannot save AA from itself with concessions. This has been proven over 17 years.
Now is the time to take a stand and stop the concessions for jobs that does nothing to secure your overall future.
How many times must you allow the TWU to use FEAR to destroy your own future and job to save an imaginary headcount that turns out to be untrue?
VOTE NO, TAKE A STAND, DO NOT BEND TO TWU FEAR!!!
Voting NO will require negotiations to continue with a deadline for AA to get a plan together.
AS the deadline nears AA will have to move closer to the Unions demand or no plan to emerge will be approved because consensual agreements with the Unions must be in place before judge will approve a plan of reorganization.
Removing this leverage now is the worst thing a Union person could do.
The TWU is attempting to use unfounded fear to get you to vote to remove the only leverage we have left.
The reason the TWU is doing this is to attempt to save jobs and dues payers.
If you are willing to sellout the future of the profession, then vote YES.
If you are willing to take a stand and stop the bleeding this profession has suffered then vote NO.
AA is not even asking to cancel your contract, they are asking to modify your contract to reduce cost.
If the contract were to be cancelled then job actions could take place and the company could not obtain injunctions to stop job actions.
If the contract were to be cancelled then there would be NO closed shop and the TWU would suffer loss of dues income.
Your contract will NOT be cancelled, it will be modified and negotiations must resume.
Neither AA or the TWU will seek complete cancellation of your contract.
TWU is the only Union "tapping" out before the fight even begins.
AA Pilots and F/A's are not in any hurry to sellout their members like the TWU is.
AA Pilots and F/S's are basically sitting and whittling sticks while the TWU is running around like a chicken without a head.
The TWU is only doing this to save some jobs and cannot even give you an exact number being saved.
The Outsource Language will allow AA to reduce headcount anyway over the six agreement period. No jobs are really being saved at all.
In 1995 we gave them 25% SRP's and 6 1/2% over 6 years in pay raises to save jobs and turn this company around.
In 2003 we gave 17.5% paycut, Holidays, Vacation, and Sick time to turn this company around.
2012....17 years later, you are being asked to give again.
We cannot save AA from itself with concessions. This has been proven over 17 years.
Now is the time to take a stand and stop the concessions for jobs that does nothing to secure your overall future.
How many times must you allow the TWU to use FEAR to destroy your own future and job to save an imaginary headcount that turns out to be untrue?
VOTE NO, TAKE A STAND, DO NOT BEND TO TWU FEAR!!!
And AA will get all the Financing it needs with three unions and no contracts. Its a no win for us and a no win for them. US Scare is looking better and better. Make room Brother and I already signed my IAM card 
OP
- Nov 4, 2003
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Hopeful
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- Dec 21, 2002
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He continually tells us he promised us a vote, and by golly, we will vote.
I still have a slight hunch that if a NO vote prevails, he might.....just maybe....use his constitutional authority to "make things right for the majority of the membership, blah,blahblah, etc,etc.etc"
That power is still at his disposal...
But, I believe, either way, the TWU's days are numbered.
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