Rand Paul caught lying about his college record

[Ms Tree]

Speaking of Walker and Wisconsin.  Seems an economics degree might have come in handy for Walker.  WI is facing a $238 million deficit.  Walked shoved $2 billion in tax cuts through his legislature.  Now to fix the problem he is going to defer debt payments and cut $300 million from the Universities budget.  The revenue short fall could exceed $2 billion over the next 2 years. 
 
That's just the guy I want steering econimic policy in the US.

 

[SparrowHawk]

News flash. Politicians lie. Who would have thought.

 
 
I'll go with Mom on this one. "Just because everyone else is doing it doesn't mean you have to"
 
For the record, Mom NEVER graduated High School (I came along). She was in charge of buying oil futures for her company. When I spent a lot of time on the US Airways forum it was she, not some Harvard MBA who taught me about fuel hedges. She must have known her stuff because she cashed some powerful bonus checks.

 

[Ms Tree]

What does that have to do with Walker putting WI $200 million in the hole with the likely hood of a $2 billion deficit in two years because of irresponsible tax cuts?

 

[SparrowHawk]

What does that have to do with Walker putting WI $200 million in the hole with the likely hood of a $2 billion deficit in two years because of irresponsible tax cuts?

 
Not a damned thing because the topic title deals with lies by politicians. NOT Scott Walker. Use that advanced education and try to stay remotely on topic.

 

[Ms Tree]

Perhaps you should have studied harder. The original topic was about Paul lying.

 

[MCI transplant]

Perhaps you should have studied harder. The original topic was about Paul lying.

And what everyone else is saying is, ------ Surprise! Surprise! Politicians lie!!! Let's open obama's records and see what he's hiding! How many times has he lied to us? ------- Hell, I'd be here all day if I tried to list them!

 

[Ms Tree]

Same goes for every politician. So how do we fix it?

I think getting rid of the electoral college would be a start to opening up the process to multiple parties.

 

[eolesen]

Off The Wall

Kyle Smith writes...

Howard Dean recently criticized Gov Scott Walker for never finishing college, stating that he was "unknowledgeable." What would your response be on college as a requirement for elected office?

Hi Kyle

Back in 1990, The QVC Cable Shopping Channel was conducting a national talent search. I had no qualifications to speak of, but I needed a job, and thought TV might be a fun way to pay the bills. So I showed up at The Marriott in downtown Baltimore with a few hundred other hopefuls, and waited for a chance to audition. When it was my turn, the elevator took me to the top floor, where a man no expression led me into a suite and asked me to take a seat behind a large desk. Across from the desk, there was a camera on a tripod. On the desk was a digital timer with an LED display. I took a seat as the man clipped a microphone on my shirt and explained the situation.

“The purpose of this audition is to see if you can talk for eight minutes without stuttering, blathering, passing out, or throwing up. Any questions?”

“What would you like me to talk about,” I asked.

The man pulled a pencil from behind his ear and rolled it across the desk. “Talk to me about that pencil. Sell it. Make me want it. But be yourself. If you can do that for eight minutes, the job is yours. Ok?”

I looked at the pencil. It was yellow. It had a point on one end, and an eraser on the other. On the side were the words, Dixon Ticonderoga Number 2 SOFT.

“Ok,” I said.

The man set the timer to 8:00, and walked behind the tripod. He pressed a button and a red light appeared on the camera. He pressed another button and the timer began to count backwards. “Action,” he said. I picked up the pencil and started talking.

“Hi there. My name’s Mike Rowe, and I only have eight minutes to tell you why this is finest pencil on Planet Earth. So let’s get right to it.”

I opened the desk drawer and found a piece of hotel stationary, right where I hoped it would be. I picked up the pencil and wrote the word, QUALITY in capital letters. I held the paper toward the camera.

“As you can plainly see, The #2 Dixon Ticonderoga leaves a bold, unmistakable line, far superior to the thin and wispy wake left by the #3, or the fat, sloppy skid mark of the unwieldy #1. Best of all, the Ticonderoga is not filled with actual lead, but “madagascar graphite,” a far safer alternative for anyone who likes to chew on their writing implements.”

To underscore the claim, I licked the point. I then discussed the many advantages of the Ticonderoga’s color.

“A vibrant yellow, perfectly suited for an object that needs to stand out from the clutter of a desk drawer.”

I commented on the comfort of it’s design.

“Unlike those completely round pencils that press hard into the web of your hand, the Ticonderoga’s circumference is comprised of eight, gently planed surfaces, which dramatically reduce fatigue, and make writing for extended periods an absolute delight.”

I pointed out the “enhanced eraser,” which was “guaranteed to still be there - even when the pencil was sharpened down to an unusable nub.”

I opined about handmade craftsmanship and American made quality. I talked about the feel of real wood.

“In a world overrun with plastic and high tech gadgets, isn’t it comforting to know that some things haven’t evolved into something shiny and gleaming and completely unrecognizable?’”

After all that, there was still five minutes on the timer. So I shifted gears and considered the pencil’s impact on Western Civilization. I spoke of Picasso and Van Gogh, and their hundreds of priceless drawings - all done in pencil. I talked about Einstein and Hawking, and their many complicated theories and theorems - all done in pencil.

“Pen and ink are fine for memorializing contracts,” I said, “but real progress relies on the ability to erase and start anew. Archimedes said he could move the world with a lever long enough, but when it came to proving it, he needed a pencil to make the point.”

With three minutes remaining, I moved on to some personal recollections about the role of pencils in my own life. My first legible signature, my first book report, my first crossword puzzle, and of course, my first love letter. I may have even worked up a tear as I recalled the innocence of my youth, scribbled out on a piece of looseleaf with all the hope and passion a desperate 6th grader could muster...courtesy of a #2 pencil.

With :30 seconds left on the timer, I looked fondly at the Dixon Ticonderoga, and sat silently for five seconds. Then I wrapped it up.

“We call it a pencil, because all things need a name. But today, let’s call it what it really is. A time machine. A match maker. A magic wand. And let’s say it can all be yours...for just .99 cents.”

The timer read 0:00. The man walked back to the desk. He took the pencil and wrote “YOU’RE HIRED” on the stationary, and few days later, I moved to West Chester, PA. And a few days after that, I was on live television, face to face with the never-ending parade of trinkets and chochkes that comprise QVC’s overnight inventory.

I spent three months on the graveyard shift, five nights a week. Technically, this was my training period, which was curious, given the conspicuous absence of supervision, or anything that could be confused with actual instruction. Every few minutes a stagehand would bring me another mysterious “must have item,” which I’d blather about nonsensically until it was whisked away and replaced with something no less baffling. In this way, I slowly uncovered the mysteries of my job, and forged a tenuous relationship with an audience of chronic insomniacs and narcoleptic lonely-hearts. It was a crucible of confusion and ambiguity, and in hindsight, the best training I ever had.

Which brings me to the point of your question, Kyle.
I don’t agree with Howard Dean - not at all.

Here’s what I didn’t understand 25 years ago. QVC had a serious recruiting problem. Qualified candidates were applying in droves, but failing miserably on the air. Polished salespeople with proven track records were awkward on TV. Professional actors with extensive credits couldn’t be themselves on camera. And seasoned hosts who understood live television had no experience hawking products. So eventually, QVC hit the reset button. They stopped looking for “qualified” people, and started looking for anyone who could talk about a pencil for eight minutes.

QVC had confused qualifications with competency.
Perhaps America has done something similar?

Look at how we hire help - it’s not so different than how we elect leaders. We search for work ethic on resumes. We look for intelligence in test scores. We search for character in references. And of course, we look at a four-year diploma as though it might actually tell us something about common-sense and leadership.

Obviously, we need a bit more from our elected officials than the instincts of a home shopping host, but the business of determining what those “qualifications” are is completely up to us. We get to decide what matters most. We get to decide if a college degree or military service is somehow determinative. We get to decide if Howard Dean is correct.

Anyone familiar with my foundation knows my position. I think a trillion dollars of student loans and a massive skills gap are precisely what happens to a society that actively promotes one form of education as the best course for the most people. I think the stigmas and stereotypes that keep so many people from pursuing a truly useful skill, begin with the mistaken belief that a four-year degree is somehow superior to all other forms of learning. And I think that making elected office contingent on a college degree is maybe the worst idea I’ve ever heard.

But of course, Howard Dean is not the real problem. He’s just one guy. And he’s absolutely right when he says that many others will judge Scott Walker for not finishing college. That's the real problem.

However - when Howard Dean called the Governor “unknowledgeable,” he rolled out more than a stereotype. He rolled a pencil across the desk, and gave Scott Walker eight minutes to knock it out of the park.

It’ll be fun to see if he does.

Mike

 

[Ms Tree]

Seem Mr Paul may have been playing fast and lose with quotes from the founders. Looks.like many of the quotes he attributed to various people were either fake, misquoted or taken way out of context.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkaczynski/rand-pauls-first-two-books-are-full-of-fake-founding-fathers#.phwRzePaa

 

[SparrowHawk]

Perhaps you should have studied harder. The original topic was about Paul lying.

 
OHH You mean like "If you like your plan you can keep your plan" Is that what a lie is? or is it a history of plagiarism that undid Joe Biden?
 
Assuming the original premise to be true I would argue the relative severity of the lie versus the multiple lies and deceptions of Obama.

 

[Ms Tree]

Actually no. They are quite different.

Obama lied. Just like "I never had sex with that woman", Read my lips", "I'm not a crook", "we never sold arms for hostages" .......etc. Politicians lie all the time. Nothing new. FOr those who believe what politicians say. Shame on them.

Biden plagiarized. He lifted text directly without giving credit. A few others have been busted doing this as well ... including Paul.

Paul made stuff up in his latest book. He made up quotes that were never said by the person he claimed said them.

Personally I don't care. I just think it's funny. Another example of a politician who thinks they are smarter than everyone else and won't get caught lying.

 

[southwind]

Never heard you say it was funny when BaRack was lying, otherwise you'd be laughing your ass off everyday!

 

[Ms Tree]

That's because you never read what I write. You read stuff and change it to what you want to hear.