cyclic monkey
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Nomex, don't leave !! I'm not sure what you are reading in these posts, but there is nothing wrong with what has been said by anyone........this is the sort of discussion we all hope for on this forum.......and surprisingly, it is still on-topic.
Not everyone will agree with each other, and I'm afraid there is not a definite solution to this problem on the horizon, but it's a great topic.
Here's my thoughts on the difference between 'good' and 'bad' companies...........
We often thought of the 'bad' companies as being the guys with lower published tariffs......but everyone starts with a similar published tariff, even the company from PQ that is the subject of this topic.
But, some companies are very willing to slash their tariffs to guarantee they will get the job.......often going way below the second-lowest bidder. These are who we should refer to as being the 'bad' companies.
Some companies rarely let machines go out for much less than their published tariff, (such as Nomex's and 407 Driver's I suspect), and these are the 'good' companies.
We must be careful when judging companies..........some may have a slightly lower published tariff, but rarely sell-for-less,......meanwhile some announce high rates and then have massive fire-sales to get their machinery working.
As mentioned above, allowances have to be made for steady customers, such as Hydro etc., but again, this should not be a cause for massive discounting.
Some companies leave the rate high, then don't charge minimums. A recent topic here about being paid for Non-Rev ferry flights would not have arisen if the pilot (and the company) were being paid minimums.
The Marketing guys in some companies are often to blame here. These guys seem happy to sign-up customers, yet they seem to have no consideration for whether the Accounting department will make a profit out of the customer's cheque when it arrives several months later.
.....(and don't forget to allow for the expenses incurred in signing-up the customer by these Marketing wizards.....often former pilots that have a penchant for playing golf and drinking booze on the company's tab)!!
As pilots and engineers there is little that we can do about the rates that our bosses let the machines go out for. But we should be able to determine how much we charge for our services per hour.
How much of the $600 per hour mentioned above is going to the pilot and engineer ? Are they being paid a fair wage ?? If not, why not......did they slash their hourly rates ? Or does the employer have to use-and-abuse low-timers to cover costs ?
Here's a thought......should we actually be publishing our own wage rates here instead of our bosses tariffs ? Should we check for low-ballers in our midsts before we complain about others ?
Or am I thinking to much about stuff we have little control over ??? Hmmmmmm....
Not everyone will agree with each other, and I'm afraid there is not a definite solution to this problem on the horizon, but it's a great topic.
Here's my thoughts on the difference between 'good' and 'bad' companies...........
We often thought of the 'bad' companies as being the guys with lower published tariffs......but everyone starts with a similar published tariff, even the company from PQ that is the subject of this topic.
But, some companies are very willing to slash their tariffs to guarantee they will get the job.......often going way below the second-lowest bidder. These are who we should refer to as being the 'bad' companies.
Some companies rarely let machines go out for much less than their published tariff, (such as Nomex's and 407 Driver's I suspect), and these are the 'good' companies.
We must be careful when judging companies..........some may have a slightly lower published tariff, but rarely sell-for-less,......meanwhile some announce high rates and then have massive fire-sales to get their machinery working.
As mentioned above, allowances have to be made for steady customers, such as Hydro etc., but again, this should not be a cause for massive discounting.
Some companies leave the rate high, then don't charge minimums. A recent topic here about being paid for Non-Rev ferry flights would not have arisen if the pilot (and the company) were being paid minimums.
The Marketing guys in some companies are often to blame here. These guys seem happy to sign-up customers, yet they seem to have no consideration for whether the Accounting department will make a profit out of the customer's cheque when it arrives several months later.
.....(and don't forget to allow for the expenses incurred in signing-up the customer by these Marketing wizards.....often former pilots that have a penchant for playing golf and drinking booze on the company's tab)!!
As pilots and engineers there is little that we can do about the rates that our bosses let the machines go out for. But we should be able to determine how much we charge for our services per hour.
How much of the $600 per hour mentioned above is going to the pilot and engineer ? Are they being paid a fair wage ?? If not, why not......did they slash their hourly rates ? Or does the employer have to use-and-abuse low-timers to cover costs ?
Here's a thought......should we actually be publishing our own wage rates here instead of our bosses tariffs ? Should we check for low-ballers in our midsts before we complain about others ?
Or am I thinking to much about stuff we have little control over ??? Hmmmmmm....
