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Re: the angry mechanic from LAS

delldude said:
That is exactly the message that needs to be sent from the floor. This can/could happen to you. I worked UAir through 2 Bk's and several vol givebacks and the toll was as awsome as xUT indicates.
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UAL makes a lot more than us,

Even after BK
 
ContUNITEus said:
Yeah... So, about the mechanic. It was over the top and not needed. It was also a bit incohesive. It was hard to believe that it was an actual qualified and professional mechanic. I thought that they had a bit more intellect. Sometimes you can achieve so much more by being a diplomatic and intellectual ####, rather than going on an emotional rant like that.

God knows that I have written some private rants, but I would save them and then look at them weeks later. I couldn't believe sometimes that I felt a certain way about some things that were so trivial.

At least he should have kept the video for a few days and then re-evaluated it afterwards to see if it was worth the trouble. I am sure he now knows that it wasn't worth it.
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4 days and nearly 33000 hits, thats pretty effective.
 
Hopeful said:
True. Once they gutted those guys first. They're BK is way behind them. We haven't had the changes forced on us yet.
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I beleive our BK was in 2003. Remember????
 
1AA said:
I beleive our BK was in 2003. Remember????
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True.....But a YES vote is a YES vote...even if it is 50% +1.
But, yes, what we gave in concessions exceeded what others gave in bk.
 
Hopeful said:
But, yes, what we gave in concessions exceeded what others gave in bk.
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Individually, yes. Collectively, I'm not so sure about that.

TWU chose jobs over pay. The guys at UAL et al didn't get that choice.
 
eolesen said:
Individually, yes. Collectively, I'm not so sure about that.

TWU chose jobs over pay. The guys at UAL et al didn't get that choice.
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Good point, all the airlines that went through BK, didn't give the workers a choice that we had in 03.

I'm not sure it made much difference as we will all, in the end, fall into the same framework of compensation and shear numbers of AMT's per airline, give or take a few percentages.

Look, none of the "yes" voters are saying this is great and we must vote for it, all the yes voters I know are very disgusted with the whole process and are just trying to survive at this point.

I cannot believe what I am about to vote for, but if it means my family survives, I will.

I still may not vote for this, I will gather as much info as I can before I vote.

I will say , some of the points made by the "no" crowd have resonated and have given me some pause, but I'm not there yet.
 
CMH_GSE said:
Good point, all the airlines that went through BK, didn't give the workers a choice that we had in 03.

I'm not sure it made much difference as we will all, in the end, fall into the same framework of compensation and shear numbers of AMT's per airline, give or take a few percentages.

Look, none of the "yes" voters are saying this is great and we must vote for it, all the yes voters I know are very disgusted with the whole process and are just trying to survive at this point.

I cannot believe what I am about to vote for, but if it means my family survives, I will.

I still may not vote for this, I will gather as much info as I can before I vote.

I will say , some of the points made by the "no" crowd have resonated and have given me some pause, but I'm not there yet.
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Maybe the others went Bankrupt because we first gave away everything without a fight, as happens often in this industry and the TWU, and the other workers didn't want to volunteer to match our deep concessions like the TWU so quickly did.

That is whole point here. All that is happening is we keep taking turns destroying what once was a profession and is already just another job. Where does it end?

It is like we keep falling on the sword to save ourselves, and all we are doing is bleeding to a slow and miserable death. When does it end?

At some point we must all reach the point that is enough is enough. The question apparently still remains for some, "are we there yet"? Fear is a powerful and yet dysfunctional use of the mind. Read a little bit about fear instead of trying to find something good where there is none.

Read this and stop letting the past or the future ruin your life:
http://www.mindwell....epowerofnow.pdf

Check out page 31
The Origin Of Fear...........................31

The reason why you don't put your hand in the fire is not because of fear, it's because you know that you'll get burned. You don't need fear to avoid unnecessary danger - just a minimum of intelligence and common sense. For such practical matters, it is useful to apply the lessons learned in the past. Now if someone threatened you with fire or with physical violence, you might experience something like fear. This is an instinctive shrinking back from danger, but not the psychological condition of fear that we are talking about here. The psychological condition of fear is divorced from any concrete and true immediate danger. It comes in many forms: unease, worry, anxiety, nervousness, tension, dread, phobia, and so on. This kind of psychological fear is always of something that might happen, not of something that is happening now. You are in the here and now, while your mind is in the future. This creates an anxiety gap. And if you are identified with your mind and have lost touch with the power and simplicity of the Now, that anxiety gap will be your constant companion. You can always cope with the present moment, but you cannot cope with something that is only a mind projection - you cannot cope with the future.

Moreover, as long as you are identified with your mind, the ego runs your life, as I pointed out earlier. Because of its phantom nature, and despite elaborate defense mechanisms, the ego is very vulnerable and insecure, and it sees itself as constantly under threat. This, by the way, is the case even if the ego is outwardly very confident. Now remember that an emotion is the body's reaction to your mind. What message is the body receiving continuously from the ego, the false, mind-made self? Danger, I am under threat. And what is the emotion generated by this continuous message? Fear, of course.
Fear seems to have many causes. Fear of loss, fear of failure, fear of being hurt, and so on, but ultimately all fear is the ego's fear of death, of annihilation. To the ego, death is always just around the corner. In this mind-identified state, fear of death affects every aspect of your life. For example, even such a seemingly trivial and "normal" thing as the compulsive need to be right in an argument and make the other person wrong - defending the mental position with which you have identified - is due to the fear of death. If you identify with a mental position, then if you are wrong, your mind-based sense of self is seriously threatened with annihilation. So you as the ego cannot afford to be wrong. To be wrong is to die. Wars have been fought over this, and countless relationships have broken down.

Once you have disidentified from your mind, whether you are right or wrong makes no difference to your sense of self at all, so the forcefully compulsive and deeply unconscious need to be right, which is a form of violence, will no longer be there. You can state clearly and firmly how you feel or what you think, but there will be no aggressiveness or defensiveness about it. Your sense of self is then derived from a deeper and truer place within yourself, not from the mind. Watch out for any kind of defensiveness within yourself. What are you defending? An illusory identity, an image in your mind, a fictitious entity. By making this pattern conscious, by witnessing it, you disidentify from it. In the light of your consciousness, the unconscious pattern will then quickly dissolve. This is the end of all arguments and power games, which are so corrosive to relationships. Power over others is weakness disguised as strength. True power is within, and it is available to you now.
So anyone who is identified with their mind and, therefore, disconnected from their true power, their deeper self rooted in Being, will have fear as their constant companion. The number of people who have gone beyond mind is as yet extremely small, so you can assume that virtually everyone you meet or know lives in a state of fear.

Only the intensity of it varies. It fluctuates between anxiety and dread at one end of the scale and a vague unease and distant sense of threat at the other. Most people become conscious of it only when it takes on one of its more acute forms.
 
CMH_GSE said:
Good point, all the airlines that went through BK, didn't give the workers a choice that we had in 03.

I'm not sure it made much difference as we will all, in the end, fall into the same framework of compensation and shear numbers of AMT's per airline, give or take a few percentages.

Look, none of the "yes" voters are saying this is great and we must vote for it, all the yes voters I know are very disgusted with the whole process and are just trying to survive at this point.

I cannot believe what I am about to vote for, but if it means my family survives, I will.

I still may not vote for this, I will gather as much info as I can before I vote.

I will say , some of the points made by the "no" crowd have resonated and have given me some pause, but I'm not there yet.
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That's the problem CMH.....there is nothing in the LBO that says you or your family or anyone else survives.ALL job protection language is wiped out.The Eagle ASM cap is wiped out.that in itself will allow AA to grow an unlimited parallel operation.There is nothing to stop AA from handing our entire domestic network to eagle or another low wage company.
At ORD almost 65% of our daily departures are now eagle.That is WITH the ASM cap.What do you think will happen without it?TWU has not fought at all in this arena.....TWU represents the eagle workers so they lose no "dues payers"That in itself will lead to massive job losses.This "job protection" is a hollow and very temporary promise.According to our pres. AA will not commit to the A319 coming to AA, they want it for AE, and ALL of the promised expansion at ORD will be AE. None of it AA.I suspect the rest of the system will be the same.Have you read the full text proposals?Have you seen all the stricken language?Geez, when all the stricken language is removed our Contract book will look like a pamphlet! VOTE NO.Don't let this fear campaign get the best of you.Let our lawyers fight for us in court .We will be better off.And yes, I have the same things at stake as you.I'm a father raising 2 children and supporting a wife.If this passes this career line is over.
 
Rogallo said:
Sorry dude, Tulsa will be GONE before I will.
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Explain to me how blaming or alienation of your fellow AMT's is helping your cause?

You remind me of the renegade AMFA organzier in Tulsa that got angry with the machinist because they would not kiss his ass, and so he walked into their work area and threatened all of them with the outsource of their work once AMFA was certified. I never did undertand that guy, what he did hurt not helped what we were trying to accomplish.

You are of the same mind.

You have not enough intelligence to communicate to them like a human, so instead you attack and shame them right into helping you out. Genius
 
This "union men" crap is beginning to get to me.

Some believe standing by a group that is totally unaccountable to its membership hoping for its assistance is the correct path. Others have many questions about their supposed "representation" that are not being addressed - the good "union men" then attempt to project guilt to bend one's attitude instead of using facts to convince those with questions - facts that don't exist.

I see many "union men" (or what passes for same today) running scared and, claiming to not understand legalese, prefer to trust what they are told to do rather than think for themselves - that's my definition of being to lazy to think for one's self.

Aviation is a good industry to be from, not in. My intent in 1971 was to stay clear of anything to do with aircraft but was seduced by the money/earnings aspect - I'd give quite a bit now for a Mulligan.
 
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