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:unsure: So I am getting recalled to good ole USAirways and I am not sure what I should do. Is the reserve system really that bad and is there any word on when we might be getting a new contract? I am so confused from what I hear, so any comments would be great, especially from those of you that have already been recalled.

Thanks a bunch!
 
:unsure: So I am getting recalled to good ole USAirways and I am not sure what I should do. Is the reserve system really that bad and is there any word on when we might be getting a new contract? I am so confused from what I hear, so any comments would be great, especially from those of you that have already been recalled.

Thanks a bunch!
Welcome to the boards, lildutchgrl!
Did you receive a letter yet?

For anyone else that might know the answer.
How do other airlines avoid furloughing f/a's after international peak season is over? Why does USAirways have such a problem with maintaining an appropriate number of reserves in each base?
Is is poor planning?
Is it because there is not a separate international division anymore?

The Midatlantic people would be able to give you a good idea on the pro/con differences since you last flew.
 
Welcome to the boards, lildutchgrl!
Did you receive a letter yet?

For anyone else that might know the answer.
How do other airlines avoid furloughing f/a's after international peak season is over? Why does USAirways have such a problem with maintaining an appropriate number of reserves in each base?
Is is poor planning?
Is it because there is not a separate international division anymore?

The Midatlantic people would be able to give you a good idea on the pro/con differences since you last flew.
I did get my letter and I was shocked and quite frankly confused. Didn't know it would come so soon. I had heard about the recalls and I was looking forward to some time to think it over. I guess I need to really start figuring it out. It has been 4 years since I have stepped on an airplane and I have heard through the grapevine that our contract is so bad for reserves. I guess I need some advice from some of the midatlantic FAs out there. IS IT REALLY THAT BAD????
 
To everyone who got a recall letter, please listen up! I was recalled back last June and this is how it is.

I make on average $1300 a month, $21 dollars an hour. If you come back you will be making poverty wages.

The reserve system is horrendous! The most I have flown was 65 hours, and that was an exception. I usually do 45-50. It depends on the month. I fly sometimes and other times I sit in the crash pad for a week at a time. I know people who put themselves on quick call every day and it doesn't help. They don't seem to make their time either, not even close. It's not based on seniority like before. They go by flight hours, then seniority. Whoever invented this system must have been smoking crack. Also, reserves get little respect.

The morale amongst the flight attendants is very low. People don't go out on overnights and have fun like they used to. There's a lot of complaining because of low pay, union sucks, displacements, mgmt screwing us and embarrassing us, bad publicity, more work for less money, lots of 14 hour days with minimum overnights, you get the idea.

Flights are all full and staffed with FAA minimums.

Commuting is a pain. It is such a waste of time, a lot of time. Why do I commute? I can't afford to live in PHL on $1300 a month. I take that back, I could but I would be crammed in with a bunch of flight attendants in Lester, PA. I'm too old to live like that. I don't want to make PHL my home anyway. It's not the right place for my family or for me.

Our airline is turning into a joke. I used to love flying "A" and now I only do it when I am forced to because the food is horrible, there is no closet space, in the A320 there is little overhead space although I understand that they are removing the equipment to other locations, first class seats have pen marks on them, and it is utterly embarrassing. The main cabin is crammed, the airplanes are dirty, and we are expected to do more work for less. Did you know we have to clean the airplanes now?

Doug Parker did away with the "old" US Airways, you know the "global carrier of choice". The "New" US Airways is more like Dollar Store of the skies or US Trailways.
 
FlightChic, you pretty much covered it all! The money is hard to take after so many years. I'd love for everyone to come back but want to make sure everyone knows that its not what it was before.

If you left in 01 or so, its a completely different airline. Its no longer like a Delta or United, its very basic service wise and the operation is a mess. Not much to be proud of. You have to kind of lower your expectations and deal with customers who have not yet lowered thiers. Maybe you guys coming back plus the west will help morale wise. I've had some awesome crews lately but some of them can really make you question why you bother... some four days are just ruined by bitter co-workers who go out of thier way to make you feel unwelcome or at least ruin your day with constant negativity. Its a very senior, very beaten down workforce thats just over it.

If you were MDA, its night and day morale wise... it was really hard to go from having a block with your friends to reserve with a worse system than before. You don;t have the comraderie or fun attitude of MDA and crews rarely hang out together. If you were MDA blockholder, you'll make much less when you come back. If you were a reserve MDA its about the same- pay is slightly higher but guarantee slighlty lower. MDA was fun, but keep in mind it was small, short-lived and to say the least a very unique situation.

It's alot different than before but like everything its what you make of it... There are so many changes coming up with the merger and the new contract that could be better or worse, and at some point there will probably be another merger. Although they won't pay you longevity even if you were on the EMB, you still have your system seniority which is really not bad compared to America West or even other airlines. You could go to another carrier and be furloughed or you could hang on to your sen number here which may benefit you later in the game. At the end of the day its still an easy job and can be a blast if you have the right attitude.

Just keep in mind if you've been doing something else for awhile its an even bigger lifestyle adjustment than before... lots of sitting around making just about minimum wage. If you live in base and are creative you can use that time wisely. Commuting is much harder than before, two thirds of the airline is operated by Express and always full, and the new travel system is a pain. The good thing is you'll go to the same bases last years 200 went to- I can only speak for Philly but assume the Shuttle bases are the same in that its a pretty close knit community of crash pads and such.

Evaluate hard before you make up your mind. Parts of it are tough, but after almost a year back I don't regret my decision, just hope that things get better. Hope to fly with all of you soon!

By the way, FlightChic, isnt this you? 🙂

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FlightChic and EMBFA
Thanks for the info. Sounds grim. Don't you think it's time for junior reserve flight attendants to seek higher wages and improved reserve system? Poverty wages!??? What's that about?
Also, what is attrition rate?
Where does AFA stand on these issues for their reserve members?
How long is this going to go on?
 
The issue is the make-up of the workforce. Through the bankrupcies and regional jet frenzies, US parked half its fleet and half its crews, more than any other airline. US basically cut its f/a workforce in half- from over 10,000 at one point to a low of just over 5000. This essentially got rid of pretty much anyone with under (now) 8 years of service, leaving only the senior folks, but now with the reserve and lesser quality of life that used to be something everyone went through for thier first few years of being junior again. The F/As who remained all took huge hits in the concessions.

This part is my opinion but I know its a shared one. Like alot of unions end up doing, ALPA ans AFA threw the juniors under the bus. In a seniority based system, the more senior, the more superiority complex, the more out of touch with the industry and co-workers. The brunt of the pay cuts and quality of life concessions are given to the lower end, the idea being protect the top few and what they have at all costs. This works for them in the short run, but is devastating to the rest of the workforce and to the industry who is pressured to follow suit. It's devastating to the profession- a 30 year F/A is only looking out for themselves, and are not concerned about a reserve regardless of seniority, or a seven year employee or a future new hire. They have had thier careers and don't care or even know that whats been left is not a sustainable career but a job, and in many ways an nearly unlivable, short term one. Which is what all airline management want- cheap, no-power, undemanding quick turnover labor. Which they will eventually get when thier current workforce retires or dies off. You have to give Jerry Glass and co credit- they read the unions like a book, focused on thier weaknesses, and achieved what they wanted and more (outsourced 100 seat flying at a mostly narrowbody, mostly domestic airline?- hello! Unions eating thier young at its best).

The attrition rate is fairly low because, again, its a senior workforce and many have little other options at this stage in thier lives. Some lack, or think they lack, any transferable job skills that would make them the same amount of money. Some know its hard to find a gig thats basically unsupervised, doesnt require much effort, and is very flexible if you are in the lucky half. Many will have to work until they physically no longer can because thier pensions etc are gone and there were no other plans.

The reserve system is awful and as more people go back on reserve you would think the fight would be louder- but again, many of the bad things about the reserve system are there to benefit the blockholders, who control the union and are deemed more "important."
US has a very different staffing model and lineholder/reserve system than all of the other airlines. This is because they used to have the best in both, but now have one suffering for he benefit of the other.

The pay issue only affects a small amount of people. When you are furloughed, the clock stops ticking for pay. Those who were not went on to A scale (a significant raise after 5 years) until eventually the whole airline was on A scale. It was at this point that new pay rates were negotiated- no one who was on property to vote would have to suffer those pay rates. Finally, last year US recalled 200 F/As. Even though many of them had worked at US in the MDA division for most of thier furlough, thier pay is still frozen at thier original furlough... and the pay rates are much lower than before. The same will go for this 90 who come back. Most of the airlines F/As do not realize that there will be 300 F/As on the property making sub-commuter airline wages. They just assume they are making 6, 7, or 8 year pay instead of the new 1, 2, or 3 year rates.

It is grim but the current make-up of US (East) F/A group is very unusual. The great thing is that its all about to change. On the east side, you have these 90 more people (and votes) coming back. These are pre 9/11 F/As who have seen the industrys ups and downs first hand. Many of them were part of the MDA program only to be sold out by both thier union and thier company, and basically treated appallingly- they are wise to both of thier tricks. They also remeber this being a decent career, still want it, and have the energy to fight for some quality of life. More significantly you have the West integrating at some point- a much more junior workforce with thier own concerns and perspectives and some that are the the same. And they are not small or insignificant in any way. After the merger US will have large numbers of F/As of all seniority levels, from the 40 year+ level to the new hire off the street. This is good for everyone when preparing a merged contract, the well-being of the whole group current and future should be represented.

Sorry about the usual long winded reply lol
 
Great breakdown of reality from my angle too, EMBFA.

I'd like to think that any new contract will deliver post bankruptcy pay raises (to help us live in these expensive bases since commuting is so difficult) and a new reserve system for all. At some point we will be the larger voting block and will be able to negotiate items that will pay us a living wage and benefits that mean something.

I also agree this job is what you make of it. Personally, I've always loved the weird schedules and ever changing co-workers. I don't want to be exposed to constant negativity but appreciate having this outlet to get rid of it. I had a mentor that told me "You earn the right to complain if you are willing to get involved and offer a solution". Good advice.

Sadly, I'd be taking a big paycut to come back but the sacifice could pay off in a few years.
 
LOL! I agree! Morale would be better if everyone vented here instead of in my ear. I wish some of these ladies knew how to operate a computer! I want to be like "Honey, dont you have USaviation? Pick a screenname and go for it! Complain there! In the meantime, lets talk about Sanjaya or make plans to go to Dinosaurs in Syracuse."

I try to make work fun, I mean come on, we're hurtling through the air at hundreds of miles an hour in a dirty aluminum tube, attempting to serve drinks and sometimes tv dinners while wearing ridiculous outfits and pointing at doors, with co-workers you just met, enroute to a stay at a hotel in a city you'd never have visited otherwise. If you can't find the fun in the sheer lunacy of that then you can't make anything fun! :lol:
 
FlightChic and EMBFA
Thanks for the info. Sounds grim. Don't you think it's time for junior reserve flight attendants to seek higher wages and improved reserve system? Poverty wages!??? What's that about?
Also, what is attrition rate?
Where does AFA stand on these issues for their reserve members?
How long is this going to go on?

It is definitely time for reserve flight attendants to demand higher wages and an improved reserve system. IMHO, AFA doesn't give a rats arse about us "stupid" reserves even though I think we are all fabulous. But what do I know I'm just a reserve. 😛 They just don't understand, nor do they care what we go through. We are in the process of negotiating a new contract, so I am thinking positively. It should be much better than the current one. That's what I am hoping anyway. The negotiations process is going rather slow. I don't know when it will be completed.

As far as the attrition rate, f/as for the most part are not quitting or retiring. They just keep on bitching and keep on flying. It does sound grim, but I don't regret coming back. It's not what I expected but at the same time, this job is easy, I have free time to relax, read, and pursue other interests. I am also learning to budget my money and not spend it on frivolous things like I used to before I came back.

I do look forward to having more recalled flight attendants because I have so much fun when I fly with more junior crews since they still like to have fun and they aren't beaten up yet. A lot of the older flight attendants are bitter, but I have had more good crews than bad, and only a couple flight attendants really stick out in my mind that I would absolutely refuse to fly with again. Like EMBFA said, it is what you make of it. Sometimes I get caught up in the negativity, but for the most part I stay positive and I know I made the right choice coming back. When I am working I try and tune out the complaining (from both f/as and pax) and I do my best to provide good customer service because that is about all I have to work with. If I don't tune it out, I will be rude without thinking twice and snap right back to the pax or I will get lazy because "they don't pay me enough" even though it is totally out of my character but that's what the negativity and low pay will do to me if I don't control it. I don't want people to remember me as that bitchy or lazy flight attendant. I just want to be happy and have fun. I see this whole experienece as a life lesson that I needed to learn.

I also want others to be informed before they return so there won't be any "surprises". If you are happy with your current job or situation, I wouldn't come back if I were you. US Airways will still be here. But if you are unhappy or have been waiting a long time to return, then by all means send that form in and come back. We need some fresh faces around here. Just know that things are a lot different.

BTW EMBFA, I love that picture! :up: Of course it's me! I'm a Super Stew! 😀 How do you like my hat?
 
I try to make work fun, I mean come on, we're hurtling through the air at hundreds of miles an hour in a dirty aluminum tube, attempting to serve drinks and sometimes tv dinners while wearing ridiculous outfits and pointing at doors, with co-workers you just met, enroute to a stay at a hotel in a city you'd never have visited otherwise. If you can't find the fun in the sheer lunacy of that then you can't make anything fun! :lol:
EMBFA -

I so enjoy your perspective and hope I have the privilege of flying with you someday. Alas, I don't think it will be this time around as I am pretty Junior (read: second class from the bottom) but maybe someday...
 
LOL! I agree! Morale would be better if everyone vented here instead of in my ear. I wish some of these ladies knew how to operate a computer! I want to be like "Honey, dont you have USaviation? Pick a screenname and go for it! Complain there! In the meantime, lets talk about Sanjaya or make plans to go to Dinosaurs in Syracuse."

I try to make work fun, I mean come on, we're hurtling through the air at hundreds of miles an hour in a dirty aluminum tube, attempting to serve drinks and sometimes tv dinners while wearing ridiculous outfits and pointing at doors, with co-workers you just met, enroute to a stay at a hotel in a city you'd never have visited otherwise. If you can't find the fun in the sheer lunacy of that then you can't make anything fun! :lol:
Thank you all for the information. I just got in contact with a friend of mine who has been flying for 9 years, still on reserve and very positive that a merged contract will make life better. As she says, it cannot possibly get worse. I have also been told that the west is very junior, as far as blockholder seniority goes. Hopefully, a new contract will bring some life to those of us who are coming back. I miss the layovers with my friends and all fun I once had.

I am still trying to make my decision, but I think in the end I will probably give it a try. It is either quit now or come back and quit then. At least I can say I honestly gave it a try. I have never been a quitter. I don't want to be a quitter. I live 2 hours from PHL and 1 1/2 hours from DCA. My luck is that I will be living in NYC with about 12 F/A's.

Has anyone heard when we might get a new contract? If I come back in June and we get a new contract in October, that would not be so bad. Where is that crystal ball of mine? Stay tuned for my decision, I may be flying with you soon!
 
i hate to befuddle the positive trajectory of this thread, but something just occurred to me: if, as one predicted, they exhaust the invol. list and must tackle the vol. list, wouldn't that create a scenario where more senior f/as were being recalled (obviously) and thus "displacing" more junior f/a from their base of origin? that is cluttered; let me use an example: the company exhausts the invol. list; begins recalling on the vol. list; f/a debbie with seniority circa 1998 accepts recall, her base of origin is PHL; in PHL there is f/a betty with a seniority circa 1999; debbie does PHL and creates an overstaffing situation. will betty be displaced?
despite the illusions to galley humor, i am being quite serious.
 
i hate to befuddle the positive trajectory of this thread, but something just occurred to me: if, as one predicted, they exhaust the invol. list and must tackle the vol. list, wouldn't that create a scenario where more senior f/as were being recalled (obviously) and thus "displacing" more junior f/a from their base of origin? that is cluttered; let me use an example: the company exhausts the invol. list; begins recalling on the vol. list; f/a debbie with seniority circa 1998 accepts recall, her base of origin is PHL; in PHL there is f/a betty with a seniority circa 1999; debbie does PHL and creates an overstaffing situation. will betty be displaced?
despite the illusions to galley humor, i am being quite serious.

I think the only FAs after invols are the VFLR ones and if they come back it is as a new hire. I could be worng though, it happens.

I am not taking into account the monthly leaves.
 
i hate to befuddle the positive trajectory of this thread, but something just occurred to me: if, as one predicted, they exhaust the invol. list and must tackle the vol. list, wouldn't that create a scenario where more senior f/as were being recalled (obviously) and thus "displacing" more junior f/a from their base of origin? that is cluttered; let me use an example: the company exhausts the invol. list; begins recalling on the vol. list; f/a debbie with seniority circa 1998 accepts recall, her base of origin is PHL; in PHL there is f/a betty with a seniority circa 1999; debbie does PHL and creates an overstaffing situation. will betty be displaced?
despite the illusions to galley humor, i am being quite serious.

From what I have heard, they will go to volutary furloughees and then VFLR after all invols are back. I'm putting a letter into AFA to conquer that question. Await the details IF I actually get a reply! 🙄
 

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