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[nycbusdriver]

Unable to insert link, but the IATA website says that airlines pay fees for ATC, (enroute navigation and terminal charges).

Found this on the FAA website: http://www.faa.gov/a...fices/apl/aatf/

Interesting that you were fully capable of adding a link to the FAA site, but unable to post a link to back up your argument to the IATA site. Hmmm.

If you look at the FAA site, though, there is no indication of charges for airspace use, nor air traffic control services. Here is what the FAA site says is the source of revenue for the Aviation Trust Fund:

"Trust Fund revenues are derived from excise taxes on:

• Domestic airline passenger tickets
• Domestic airline passenger flight segments
• International passenger arrivals and departures
• Air cargo waybills
• Aviation fuels
• Amounts paid for the right to provide mileage awards"

 

[USFlyer]

From http://www.downsizinggovernment.org/transportation/airports-atc:

During the past two decades, nearly 50 governments have commercialized their air traffic control systems. That means they have separated their ATC activities from their transport ministries, removed them from the civil service, and made them self-supporting from fees charged to aircraft operators. These new air navigation service providers (ANSPs) are usually regulated at arm's length by their government's aviation safety agency.

Britain's ATC system has been commercialized by means of a "public-private partnership." National Air Traffic Services is a jointly owned company, with British airlines owning 42 percent, airport company BAA owning 4 percent, employees owning 5 percent, and the government owning the remaining minority stake. NATS is operated on a not-for-profit basis.

 

[jimntx]

Another mainline route outsourced....sigh.

They are softening you up in case the LCC-AMR merger comes to pass. When I fly into ORD these days, there is hardly a domestic connection for passengers other than American Eagle. If it is a mainline connection, it is International most of the time. On occasion, you might have a connection to LGA on mainline, but that is only because they were unable to get on a non-stop at DFW. And, the list of connecting gates at DFW is seeing more and more AE connections.

Yet, all we hear is how inefficient and costly the small rjs are.

 

[BoeingBoy]

If you look at the FAA site, though, there is no indication of charges for airspace use, nor air traffic control services.

Ya just have to dig a little deeper. For this year, the FAA estimated that it would collect $50,000,000 from overflight fees, i.e. use of the airspace and ATC services without landing or taking off at a U.S. airport. Most developed countries don't charge traffic to/from U.S. airports for ATC services, although if the EU is successful with it's ETS that may change.

Jim

 

[BoeingBoy]

Yet, all we hear is how inefficient and costly the small rjs are.

They are and airlines are getting rid of 50-seaters as fast as they can. Of course, scope in the APA contract kept AA very restricted in the number of larger RJ's it could operate/contract but that will change in the imposed contract. So expect more and more larger RJ's in the future.

Jim

 

[USFlyer]

Another link: https://www.federalregister.gov/articles/2010/09/28/2010-24342/update-of-overflight-fees

 

[nycbusdriver]

For this year, the FAA estimated that it would collect $50,000,000 from overflight fees, i.e. use of the airspace and ATC services without landing or taking off at a U.S. airport.

Reference? Link?

Not saying you are wrong. Simply back up what you say.

 

[USFlyer]

Reference? Link?

Not saying you are wrong. Simply back up what you say.

I posted the link to the Federal Register where the rule is published.

 

[BoeingBoy]

Reference? Link?

2012 federal budget

Jim

 

[Crzipilot]

How much do you think Cuba collects for I overfly permits? Interesting with the embargo that's in place. How long money has been funneled to Cuba this way. I remember seein the bill at brand x airlines. With charges for multiple airplanes. Much larger than what we actually flew. No contesting that bill. You just pay it and move on

 

[LD3]

Interesting that you were fully capable of adding a link to the FAA site, but unable to post a link to back up your argument to the IATA site. Hmmm.

If you look at the FAA site, though, there is no indication of charges for airspace use, nor air traffic control services. Here is what the FAA site says is the source of revenue for the Aviation Trust Fund:

"Trust Fund revenues are derived from excise taxes on:

• Domestic airline passenger tickets
• Domestic airline passenger flight segments
• International passenger arrivals and departures
• Air cargo waybills
• Aviation fuels
• Amounts paid for the right to provide mileage awards"

Interesting that you were fully capable of adding a link to the FAA site, but unable to post a link to back up your argument to the IATA site. Hmmm.

If you look at the FAA site, though, there is no indication of charges for airspace use, nor air traffic control services. Here is what the FAA site says is the source of revenue for the Aviation Trust Fund:

"Trust Fund revenues are derived from excise taxes on:

• Domestic airline passenger tickets
• Domestic airline passenger flight segments
• International passenger arrivals and departures
• Air cargo waybills
• Aviation fuels
• Amounts paid for the right to provide mileage awards"

Here ya go Mr. Iamalwayscondesending.....https://www.iata.org/whatwedo/airport-ans/charges/Pages/airport-atc-charges.aspx

 

[nycbusdriver]

Here ya go Mr. Iamalwayscondesending.....https://www.iata.org...tc-charges.aspx

Thank you for quoting me twice. That was very effective.

So, then. What are the charges? How much did US Airways pay the Turks and Caicos for air traffic control services into and out of PLS in 2011?

You post a link with no real information.

 

[BoeingBoy]

Thank you for quoting me twice. That was very effective.

So, then. What are the charges? How much did US Airways pay the Turks and Caicos for air traffic control services into and out of PLS in 2011?

You post a link with no real information.

So, then. What are the charges? How much did US Airways pay the Turks and Caicos for air traffic control services into and out of PLS in 2011?

You post a link with no real information.

You are a piece of work. First you claim that there are no ATC charges levied by other countries or by the U.S. for other country's carriers and are shown to be wrong. Then you want non-public information supplied - I know of no U.S. carrier that breaks out ATC fees as a line item on it's P&L statement - or it's "no real information." Are you like Easthole and can't stand to be wrong?

Jim

PS - not that you were quoted twice, once edited down. That's been happening with no real pattern since the forum software was changed and is not necessarily intentional. The only way to correct it is to first catch it and then edit the double quote out of the post. Don't catch it in time and it's too late to edit.

 

[LD3]

Don't think so. If that were the case, the US would be collecting most of the fees since it is by far the largest market in the world, and foreign airlines chomp at the bit to serve our cities. The agreement is know as OPEN Skies, not Skies for Sale.

This is your quote correct? Just admit your were wrong....We won't think any less of you than we do know..

 

[nycbusdriver]

This is your quote correct? Just admit your were wrong....We won't think any less of you than we do know..

Do you honestly think I care what you think of me? Hardly. Please don't flatter yourself. Just try not to drip the green stuff down your shirt, and you'll me fine.