Republican controlled house says.."DEFUND Obamacare, or we're SHUTTING the GOVT. DOWN "
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If they're folding, why has Obama agreed to meet with the negotiating members?
BTW- told you he would.
Not really.....Obama wants a clean bill.....GOP has strings or no deal.
Tiny little stretchy strings
Like silly string..
Actually, if the House GOP, or any of them would grow some principles someday, I would be all for it, even if it took a congressional revolution.
Maybe real tax reform, even something as radically different as The Fair Tax.
Then, Real budgeting reform, with the actual debate on what we want to spend our $$ on, and without favors for every group or business or industry that walks through the congress' collective door with a check.
Tying the ACA to this was a publicity stunt / hail mary for the teabaggers and the canadian cruzer. They win, with their primary election audience, even when they lose.
None of them are serious about really cutting spending, and balancing the budget, and paying down the debt. As the great foreign food aid bill/amendment's bipartisan vote shows, they are interested in using the American taxpayer to pay off their supporters, so that they can stay in office, and their party can maintain or increase its standing, "for the good of the country".
The right won't consider real tax reform, for everyone, or real cuts in their favorite areas, or doable entitlement reforms. They carry on about SNAP, and welfare queens, etc., while demanding more and more for the military industrial complex and hedge fund managers, etc.
The left is about the same, xcpt the opposite., and they lean towards helping people vs. helping big biz. Lean, not far, just a little leaning.
This maneuver by the right wasn't about ACA. It also isn't about any meaningful sustainable change in how the country does business. It was about power, and who gets the spoils, aka the borrowed $$$, not about whether or not to borrow it.
Like silly string..
Actually, if the House GOP, or any of them would grow some principles someday, I would be all for it, even if it took a congressional revolution.
Maybe real tax reform, even something as radically different as The Fair Tax.
Then, Real budgeting reform, with the actual debate on what we want to spend our $$ on, and without favors for every group or business or industry that walks through the congress' collective door with a check.
Tying the ACA to this was a publicity stunt / hail mary for the teabaggers and the canadian cruzer. They win, with their primary election audience, even when they lose.
None of them are serious about really cutting spending, and balancing the budget, and paying down the debt. As the great foreign food aid bill/amendment's bipartisan vote shows, they are interested in using the American taxpayer to pay off their supporters, so that they can stay in office, and their party can maintain or increase its standing, "for the good of the country".
The right won't consider real tax reform, for everyone, or real cuts in their favorite areas, or doable entitlement reforms. They carry on about SNAP, and welfare queens, etc., while demanding more and more for the military industrial complex and hedge fund managers, etc.
The left is about the same, xcpt the opposite., and they lean towards helping people vs. helping big biz. Lean, not far, just a little leaning.
This maneuver by the right wasn't about ACA. It also isn't about any meaningful sustainable change in how the country does business. It was about power, and who gets the spoils, aka the borrowed $$$, not about whether or not to borrow it.
The " left" paradoxically almost, also wins for generally adopting what should be the true conservatives' position of protecting adults individual freedoms, IOW, to decide how they should live, when it comes to personal choice and does not impair other peoples' right to do the same.
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I disagree. I think they all cared to a degree in thier own way. All people may not agree but I do not think any of them were/are activly trying to destroy America regardless of what the people like you on the fringe happen to beleive.
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Yeah right, the NAFTA, GATT, WTO, TARP, Patriot Act, and NDAA were all signed to help the Amercian people.
The blue collar manufactoring jobs were shipped overseas to help the American people.
The wars in Iraq, Afganistan, and Lybia were to help keep the American people safe.
I know it scarey for you to face reality but the government is run by and for the benefit of the Military Industrial Complex, Fortune 100, and Central Banks.
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And Lady Gaga is part of the conspiracy.
In charge of it
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......and Oswald was the lone shooter. 
Why March?
I want you to circle the date of Sunday, October 13, 2013.
And then I want you to help “circle the wagons” on that day to help protect and defend our brave veterans who risked their lives for our freedom – and now are being barred from visiting the memorials erected to honor their deeds.
In a mean-spirited fit of selfish anger, Barack Obama has shut down our nation’s war memorials. And he has declared open war on our honored veterans!
The World War II memorial … the Vietnam Veterans Memorial … the Korean War Veterans Memorial – Obama has shut them all down to force his will on the House of Representatives and frankly, to get revenge on the American people who oppose Obamacare and his other naked power grabs.
Let’s put it plainly: Barack Obama is behaving like a vicious tyrant. And if he succeeds in this assault on the democratic system, the Republic we love is at mortal risk. It’s just that simple.
That’s why I am asking you now to take two decisive moves to show Barack Obama, Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi – and all of their oppressive ilk in Washington – that “We the People” are still in charge. And we won’t rest until we take back our memorials and monuments!
Obama caves...
Update: Carney says Obama will indeed sign a debt-ceiling hike even if the shutdown is still on. Your move, Dingy Harry.
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