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Specter, Casey blister US Airways

Wow. Interesting article. Doug Parker is about as sincere as Jonathan Ornstein...
 
What the hell was the ACAA thinking when they approved a 1 billion dollar airport for US? They need to take some of the blame on the reductions going on, someone did not have the nuts to tell US no, your requests are to demanding. CLT opened their new terminal at close to the same time for 400 mil, then added on slowly, thats why last years enplaned pax cost was 1.21 pp, slow growth.
 
Keep in mind that when the new PIT terminal was approved/built, that the Hub was booming with business from US. At that time it was the right decision based on the amount of flights that US had in PIT. Nobody could forsee what was on the horizon with 9/11, along with US going into BK twice.
 
LD3 said:
What the hell was the ACAA thinking when they approved a 1 billion dollar airport for US?
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The same thing PHL was thinking when they built A-West - after all, PHL is potentially only one merger away from seeing US downsize there.

Jim
 
BoeingBoy said:
The same thing PHL was thinking when they built A-West - after all, PHL is potentially only one merger away from seeing US downsize there.

Jim
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Yeah, but given the size of the PHL area customer base, the PHL airport is woefully inadequate by any measure with almost no conceivable options to ever make that facility big enough to properly service the PHL metropolitan area. Had USAirways closed its doors on January 15, 2005, like many believed it would, PHL would have had not one whit of a problem getting those abandoned gates occupied within a very short time.

Pittsburgh's problems, as it relates to their admittedly beautiful airport facility, are that their expansions plans were too big for their small-population britches and they tied their fortunes to a falling (plummeting?) star. The piper must be paid, and now we'll see boarded up concourses. USAirways could still go out of business tomorrow and you will still never see boarded up concourses in PHL.
 
I, for one, am really over Specter and his b**ching. US Airways is a corporation that will do what is best for them and cannot be held to things that were said 15 years ago -- in a dramatically different aviation industry. You don't see anyone else rushing in thinking that US Airways has missed the boat on this and that PIT is some goldmine. The bottom line is that PIT does NOT work as a hub any longer -- it is extremely heart breaking for the employees and a blow to the city's pride, but a good move for US Airways. Those aircraft that were flying marginally profitable routes out of PIT can be redistributed to routes that are more profitable and possibly help US with new east-west synergies. PHL is where is it at now -- if US closed there, those gates would be filled in a nano second by another airline that would build a new hub there. I would also guess the same for CLT, too. CAL or UAL would fill that void there for a city that boasts the 2nd largest banking center in the world.

I wish people would give up on this and let it die in peace. Specter is making a bad situation worse, I think. They know that PIT will never again be a hub and will never have international routes. You would think instead of forcing US Airways to reconsider or blasting them, Specter would be wooing another airline in there to increase routes, etc. Why isn't he doing this? Simple, NO ONE WANTS TO BUILD A HUB THERE BECAUSE THEY ALL KNOW US IS RIGHT AND IT IS UNPROFITABLE WITH MINIMUM O&D TRAFFIC.
 
Coffee_Tea_Or_Me said:
I, for one, am really over Specter and his b**ching. US Airways is a corporation that will do what is best for them and cannot be held to things that were said 15 years ago -- in a dramatically different aviation industry. You don't see anyone else rushing in thinking that US Airways has missed the boat on this and that PIT is some goldmine. The bottom line is that PIT does NOT work as a hub any longer -- it is extremely heart breaking for the employees and a blow to the city's pride, but a good move for US Airways. Those aircraft that were flying marginally profitable routes out of PIT can be redistributed to routes that are more profitable and possibly help US with new east-west synergies. PHL is where is it at now -- if US closed there, those gates would be filled in a nano second by another airline that would build a new hub there. I would also guess the same for CLT, too. CAL or UAL would fill that void there for a city that boasts the 2nd largest banking center in the world.

I wish people would give up on this and let it die in peace. Specter is making a bad situation worse, I think. They know that PIT will never again be a hub and will never have international routes. You would think instead of forcing US Airways to reconsider or blasting them, Specter would be wooing another airline in there to increase routes, etc. Why isn't he doing this? Simple, NO ONE WANTS TO BUILD A HUB THERE BECAUSE THEY ALL KNOW US IS RIGHT AND IT IS UNPROFITABLE WITH MINIMUM O&D TRAFFIC.
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I don't recall Specter or anyone else asking for it to be re-hubbed.
 
nycbusdriver said:
Yeah, but given the size of the PHL area customer base, the PHL airport is woefully inadequate by any measure with almost no conceivable options to ever make that facility big enough to properly service the PHL metropolitan area. Had USAirways closed its doors on January 15, 2005, like many believed it would, PHL would have had not one whit of a problem getting those abandoned gates occupied within a very short time.
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In general terms I agree with you, but with two bigger international markets on either side of PHL I wonder just how fast those wide-body international gates on A-West would have filled up. That's why I specifically said A-West, which was built primarily for US (13 of the 16 gates - a much higher percentage than the mid-field terminal @ PIT).

Besides, if PHL was such a gold mine why had no other hub/spoke carrier picked it for a hub? If US disappeared, which hub/spoke carrier would make it a hub? UA with IAD right down the road? CO with EWR right up the road? DL with JFK right up the road? NW with DTW (and CLT waiting if they wanted an east coast hub)? AA with large ops in NYC? Would FL want 40+ gates, F con, and 13 wide-bodie gates? Frontier?

Pittsburgh's problems, as it relates to their admittedly beautiful airport facility, are that their expansions plans were too big for their small-population britches and they tied their fortunes to a falling (plummeting?) star.
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"Their" expansion plans were pretty much dictated by US, which was not a "falling (plummeting?) star" in the late 80's when the planning for the mid-field terminal was taking place or even in the 90's when it opened. Saying that PIT should have had 20-20 foresight and known the ultimate fate of US makes a good argument, but is unrealistic.

Jim
 
Coffee_Tea_Or_Me said:
I, for one, am really over Specter and his b**ching. US Airways is a corporation that will do what is best for them and cannot be held to things that were said 15 years ago -- in a dramatically different aviation industry. You don't see anyone else rushing in thinking that US Airways has missed the boat on this and that PIT is some goldmine. The bottom line is that PIT does NOT work as a hub any longer -- it is extremely heart breaking for the employees and a blow to the city's pride, but a good move for US Airways. Those aircraft that were flying marginally profitable routes out of PIT can be redistributed to routes that are more profitable and possibly help US with new east-west synergies. PHL is where is it at now -- if US closed there, those gates would be filled in a nano second by another airline that would build a new hub there. I would also guess the same for CLT, too. CAL or UAL would fill that void there for a city that boasts the 2nd largest banking center in the world.

I wish people would give up on this and let it die in peace. Specter is making a bad situation worse, I think. They know that PIT will never again be a hub and will never have international routes. You would think instead of forcing US Airways to reconsider or blasting them, Specter would be wooing another airline in there to increase routes, etc. Why isn't he doing this? Simple, NO ONE WANTS TO BUILD A HUB THERE BECAUSE THEY ALL KNOW US IS RIGHT AND IT IS UNPROFITABLE WITH MINIMUM O&D TRAFFIC.
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Stop! Stop it! Why do you hate Pittsburgh and Pittsburghers so much! Lies! It's all lies!
 
EMBFA said:
Stop! Stop it! Why do you hate Pittsburgh and Pittsburghers so much! Lies! It's all lies!
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LOL :lol: :lol: :lol:

I do not hate the Burghers -- I really do feel for them, but I am soooooo tired of this topic. This airline is infamous for base closures and this is but one more to add to the list.
 
What are you talking about, US Air/ways pulling a hub or focus city... nonsense... when has that ever happened... 🙄
 
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