Systemwide CR1

[Freight train]

Beat them at their own game ! :bleh:
Go into a corner, sit Upright,lean back, and Firmly attach an Open Bible to your hands. NO arbitrator in his or her right mind will find you guilty !
Most people pray with their eyes CLOSED !

 

[Bob Owens]

5) you have the right to expect eight hours of pay for eight hours of work

Still waiting for the day when we get eight hours pay.

 

[frontline]

When the COMPANY..realizes we too are HUMAN! Then we can talk...I have always SAID and STILL say AA should FILE BK....Its only a business decision...Not going out of business

Oh really? Have you bothered to think about how this will affect our contract and pay? There won't be any raise or payout if we go this road, (FORGET snap back) just more (forced) concessions and we will have no recourse!

Oh, did I mention more job losses and loss of retirement benefits?

Our position should be to avoid BK!

 

[FWAAA]

When the COMPANY..realizes we too are HUMAN! Then we can talk...I have always SAID and STILL say AA should FILE BK....Its only a business decision...Not going out of business

I'm often accused of not being so bright, so could you help me (and maybe others) by explaining, in simple terms, how a Ch 11 reorganization would benefit the company or the employees with respect to sleeping on the clock?

I'm intimately aware of the benefits to bankruptcy lawyers, accountants and other parasitic advisors during a bankruptcy proceeding - there's lotsa money to be made; where I'm in the dark is how it would benefit the company OR the employees.

 

[Observer]

I'm often accused of not being so bright, so could you help me (and maybe others) by explaining, in simple terms, how a Ch 11 reorganization would benefit the company or the employees with respect to sleeping on the clock?

I'm intimately aware of the benefits to bankruptcy lawyers, accountants and other parasitic advisors during a bankruptcy proceeding - there's lotsa money to be made; where I'm in the dark is how it would benefit the company OR the employees.

employees are always last in bankruptcy........just check out what happened in the auto industry, the steel industry, the airlines. Maybe some think their favorite uncle is the bankruptcy judge and he won't hurt you. It is a sad situation that the courts protect the creditors before the employees.

 

[chris perry]

I have worked for the firm since 1991 and have never seen a CR1 entry used for nothin except negative reasons.Its a paper trail

 

[Chuck Schalk]

Where is the almighty TWU International stepping in with all their tough talk and squashing this immediately? Unless.......they don't object to this. It amazes me that the TWU will make sure that we immediatley get their message of what they want but our message seems to get lost somewhere and put on a shelf.

 

[Observer]

Where is the almighty TWU International stepping in with all their tough talk and squashing this immediately? Unless.......they don't object to this. It amazes me that the TWU will make sure that we immediatley get their message of what they want but our message seems to get lost somewhere and put on a shelf.

C'mon Chuckie, this is a LGA and maybe a JFK issue on CR-1s as no one has posted to the contrary and there has beee no buzz about the system on the CR-1 business. Did not the manager get terminated because he was aware of the sleeping but chose not to confront it? And aren't there members who have emailed the company to get him his job back? I guess it comes down to this are we the professionals that have high expectations of each other, or do we lower ourselves to the lowest common denominator of behavior? If you lie down with dogs you get fleas, as the old adage goes, or let sleeping dogs lie. Time to put this subject to bed so to speak, there are much bigger issues to face. The International should stay out of this sleeping business anyway................or are you looking for someone to fluff your pillow?

 

[Bob Owens]

I'm often accused of not being so bright, so could you help me (and maybe others) by explaining, in simple terms, how a Ch 11 reorganization would benefit the company or the employees with respect to sleeping on the clock?

I'm intimately aware of the benefits to bankruptcy lawyers, accountants and other parasitic advisors during a bankruptcy proceeding - there's lotsa money to be made; where I'm in the dark is how it would benefit the company OR the employees.

The threat of it has benifitted AMR immensely.

 

[Bob Owens]

C'mon Chuckie, this is a LGA and maybe a JFK issue on CR-1s as no one has posted to the contrary and there has beee no buzz about the system on the CR-1 business. Did not the manager get terminated because he was aware of the sleeping but chose not to confront it? And aren't there members who have emailed the company to get him his job back? I guess it comes down to this are we the professionals that have high expectations of each other, or do we lower ourselves to the lowest common denominator of behavior? If you lie down with dogs you get fleas, as the old adage goes, or let sleeping dogs lie. Time to put this subject to bed so to speak, there are much bigger issues to face. The International should stay out of this sleeping business anyway................or are you looking for someone to fluff your pillow?

He wasnt fired because he knew about it, he was fired because he wouldn't violate AA's rules concerning honesty. He refused to lie. If he was fired because he knew they were sleeping then the people who fired him should also be fired. I would go on to say that those who terminated him, claiming that he was fired for tolerating sleeping, should be fired for dishonesty because such blatent displays of dishonesty on their part cause damage to the company's image.

As far as guys sending E-mails for him to get his job back whats wrong with that? Just because he is management that doesnt mean that union workers should simply turn a blind eye to unfair treatment.

The supervisor in question was only there a short time, the practice had been in place for decades its absurd for the company to blame him for what was going on.

 

[Chuck Schalk]

Observer, how long have you been in the industry and have you ever worked midnights? Let" thee with no sin cast the first stone" unless you and your station is perfect. By the way which station are you from? The local management is going over and above on this issue. If they want to read the riot act then fine. But asking us to sign a document that is not 100% accurate is not acceptable and requires instant action by the highest authority to stop this. Management is threatening insubordination if you don't sign it! Would you sign anything under a threat? It isn't just about alleged sleeping, the letter includes many rules and regulations and some are highlighted in bold black letters. Signing your name to anything should not be taken lightly especially when it can bite you back later.

 

[iluvaa]

You dont have to sign a CR-1

 

[Observer]

Observer, how long have you been in the industry and have you ever worked midnights? Let" thee with no sin cast the first stone" unless you and your station is perfect. By the way which station are you from? The local management is going over and above on this issue. If they want to read the riot act then fine. But asking us to sign a document that is not 100% accurate is not acceptable and requires instant action by the highest authority to stop this. Management is threatening insubordination if you don't sign it! Would you sign anything under a threat? It isn't just about alleged sleeping, the letter includes many rules and regulations and some are highlighted in bold black letters. Signing your name to anything should not be taken lightly especially when it can bite you back later.

I have been here a very long time, worked at many cities and years of nights.............there has been sleeping before but now days it has been raised to an art form or an accepted expectation............The local management reaction is over the top, read and sign is fine, many items have been that way for years..........

 

[Hopeful]

I have been here a very long time, worked at many cities and years of nights.............there has been sleeping before but now days it has been raised to an art form or an accepted expectation............The local management reaction is over the top, read and sign is fine, many items have been that way for years..........

The "READ AND SIGN" is no big deal. The CR1 is totally uncalled for.

We all READ AND SIGNED when we got hired...We already agreed to the conditions of employment.

 

[Observer]

The "READ AND SIGN" is no big deal. The CR1 is totally uncalled for.

We all READ AND SIGNED when we got hired...We already agreed to the conditions of employment.

and the conditions of employment included the subject of following the rules and regs.............