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Ok, let's take this logic one step further. The non-union, CCY employees have been investing their career potential in US. Without a doubt, almost all of them could head to other companies (airline or not) and make more money, yet some are staying. Why? Because the job market sucks, there is little in the way of mobility in any profession (except possibly those in healthcare) and downward pressure in salaries is prevalent in many professions.

G4G5
They stay because they have a vested interested in the companines survival. For years this is the place that many of them called home the place that they planned on retiring from(key phrase, vested retirement, 401k's, bennies). Not because the market sucks
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Bottom line is this: Your salary should be determined by demand, and right now there is no shortage of mechanics (just as there is no shortage of software developers, telecom engineers, management consultants, flight attendants, pilots, etc.). The economy has slowed to a crawl. I have a feeling if a few thousand mechanic-types in Pittsburgh all get laid off at once (for example), you'll see even more downward pressure in salaries among the available jobs (whatever they may be).

G4G5
If you honestly belive that their is no shortage of A&P's that you perogative but try to find an experienced A320 Avionics Tech or a quality sheet metal repair tech, overhaul tech. You need to remember that if these techs enter the outside market place they will be highly desirable and in most cases more qualified then their competition. A lot of their skills transcend over to market place quite will. Having 10+ years of Airbus avionics on your resume opens a lot more doors then an A320 type rating does for a pilot
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For everyone that thinks finding a job is so easy, then I say this. It's well understood it's always easier to find a job when you have one. Do what it takes to keep your US job, yet go out and find that job that will increase your standard of living. Then leave. I wish you good luck -- jobs are out there but there is SO much competition for them it's nuts. Don't go by what you read in the Sunday job listings -- it may look like a lot of jobs, but what you're not seeing is the demand for those positions. Two years ago each job posting may have gotten x resumes; today, each job posting gets 10x resumes.

G4G5
I agree most will or are already looking because a No vote means that they will be entering the market in the short term. Yet they still vote No, so what does that tell you?
 
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[BLOCKQUOTE][BR]----------------[BR]On 9/16/2002 12:27:15 AM USFlyer wrote:
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[BLOCKQUOTE][BR]----------------[BR]On 9/15/2002 11:24:15 PM G4G5 wrote: [BR][BR]if not better money and improve quality of life. The pilots, the CWA and most of the other groups can't say that. If he expects them to cave, forget it. [BR]----------------[BR][/BLOCKQUOTE][BR][BR]Ok, let's take this logic one step further.  The non-union, CCY employees have been investing their career potential in US.  Without a doubt, almost all of them could head to other companies (airline or not) and make more money, yet some are staying.  Why?  Because the job market sucks, there is little in the way of mobility in any profession (except possibly those in healthcare) and downward pressure in salaries is prevalent in many professions.[BR][BR]Bottom line is this:  Your salary should be determined by demand, and right now there is no shortage of mechanics (just as there is no shortage of software developers, telecom engineers, management consultants, flight attendants, pilots, etc.).  The economy has slowed to a crawl.  I have a feeling if a few thousand mechanic-types in Pittsburgh all get laid off at once (for example), you'll see even more downward pressure in salaries among the available jobs (whatever they may be).[BR][BR]
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[P]Perhaps thats US's plan. If the IAM rejects and the mechs become at will and threaten a strike, US just tosses them and replaces them.[/P]
 
Hey people,G4G5 isn't as far out in left field as some of you think.Despite all the laid off mechanics in the industry,there is still options available for qualified mechanics.I work at one of the line mtc stations and post 9/11 we lost 6 or 7 mechanics who were all junior.(1 year or less).Guess what!The ones that were worth a $hit all found jobs.One of them even started out with a $4/hr raise.And he's working days with weekends and holidays off.The remaining mechanics range in seniority from 12 to 27 years and most are looking at options in and out of aviation.The brain drain has begun and the long term effects will be devestating.Wait untill the economy comes full circle.Who do you think is going to come work 3rd shift with wed/thur off,outdoors 5 nights a week for $14/hr.Sure you'll get the guy from the local FBO,that would be a nice raise for him.But whats going to happen when he opens the log book and the capt wrote that the center channel of the autopilot disengaged during a cat three approach.Or his pack temp control is inop in auto but works ok in manual.He can't ask a more experienced mechanic,they all said screw it and either retired or moved on to other fields.And before you say theres no jobs out there,not to long ago the Washington Post had an article on a crisis the D.C. Metro system is facing.Seems they can't retain or attract qualified(theres that word again)mechanics for their trains,elevators,and escalators.They are paying $28 to $32 an hour,where private companies are paying in the mid fifties.Seeing that A&P mechanics have extensive training in electronics,hydraulics,and pneumatics as well as other areas,and trains,elevators, and escalators operate on these same systems or a combination of them,I dare say there might be opportunities out there.The brain drain needs to be stopped before theres no stopping it.
 
Nice try 757fixer, but that flies in the face of all the stereotypes of mechanics that all of our non-mechanic contributers around here have. In their mind a mechanic is a mechanic, and are all interchangable. What do we know? Us serfs should just behave, and in the words of ALPA's Duane Woerth, Know our place. So go ahead and try to save money in maintenance. Does anyone remember when America West tried to lay-off and farm-out? These people have to learn the hard way, and never listen to the floor.