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[Travelpro72]

As mentioned above the system we have now lets an employee (blockholder) drop their trips so they can be "part time" then the more junior employee (reserve) has to live it as a career. WRONG. You say the union is working on changes to the ETB situation and reserves? Yeah that may be but what changes were addressed first? Hmmmm do tell? I'll answer it FOR YOU! ! ! ! It was all BLOCKHOLDER RELATED CHANGES! ! ! ! Thank you very much. This systm is broken beyond words. I am WELL informed and NO I couldn't go to the meetings because I was busy working someones JACKASS trip that they dropped at the last minute because they obviously couldn't commute in. Don't even go there with me.

 

[IMisstheAladdinTrays]

As mentioned above the system we have now lets an employee (blockholder) drop their trips so they can be "part time" then the more junior employee (reserve) has to live it as a career. WRONG. You say the union is working on changes to the ETB situation and reserves? Yeah that may be but what changes were addressed first? Hmmmm do tell? I'll answer it FOR YOU! ! ! ! It was all BLOCKHOLDER RELATED CHANGES! ! ! ! Thank you very much. This systm is broken beyond words. I am WELL informed and NO I couldn't go to the meetings because I was busy working someones JACKASS trip that they dropped at the last minute because they obviously couldn't commute in. Don't even go there with me.

I'm with ya all the way...it's awful! I was at the meeting...the only reason the union is worried is because Biddy and Sissy BHer might have to fly their own trip! Someone told me that a very high ranking union official said "it's not all about the Reserves!" Can you F___ing belive that?

 

[Travelpro72]

OH I certainly do believe it. Ya know, if I were a blockholder I wouldn't want to have any of my benefits of being one cut. Though we DO need to be united in our fight for a good no GREAT contract the reality is that there MOST CERTAINLY IS a division between the reserve/blockholder group. The company has created and union has created it as well. MF does NOT have the reserve in his best interest. How some come on here and spew that bologna is laughable. IT is and probably always will be 1. take care of the blockholder and 2. whatever we can do (within reason) to keep reserves a little quiet. It will be that way until the mentality of the group in control is either changed or they are booted out. It will never change. Call the union? Yeah that will make a difference. 🙄 My head doesn't screw on backwards.

 

[Itestwell]

As mentioned above the system we have now lets an employee (blockholder) drop their trips so they can be "part time" then the more junior employee (reserve) has to live it as a career. WRONG. You say the union is working on changes to the ETB situation and reserves? Yeah that may be but what changes were addressed first? Hmmmm do tell? I'll answer it FOR YOU! ! ! ! It was all BLOCKHOLDER RELATED CHANGES! ! ! ! Thank you very much. This systm is broken beyond words. I am WELL informed and NO I couldn't go to the meetings because I was busy working someones JACKASS trip that they dropped at the last minute because they obviously couldn't commute in. Don't even go there with me.

What were the BH related changes that were "addressed first?" Are you referring to 24/7 related changes and ETB? If you are referring to the new BH ability to drop to 40 hours via the ETB, that was changed so quickly because the company agreed to it. They (AFA)are pushing for changes for the RSV's, and the COMPANY is hesitant to implement them. Your anger is misdirected on that topic....

BTW, the 40 hour ETB drop down for BH's is doing them NO good, since few RSV's can pick up trips anyway.

I agree the system is broken, but all the divisiveness and hatred you spew towards BH aint gonna get it fixed any quicker. 🙄

I'm with ya all the way...it's awful! I was at the meeting...the only reason the union is worried is because Biddy and Sissy BHer might have to fly their own trip! Someone told me that a very high ranking union official said "it's not all about the Reserves!" Can you F___ing belive that?

"Someone told you" a union official said it wasn't all about RSV's? It must be fact, then!

It cracks me up how RSVs are so quick to negotiate away all the BH privileges. Be careful what you wish for, you will be a BH someday. While I agree that the entire system is broken, certain benefits need to be preserved.

 

[Travelpro72]

They (AFA)are pushing for changes for the RSV's, and the COMPANY is hesitant to implement them. Your anger is misdirected on that topic....
The new 24/7 changes made during the company/union meetings were made because why? Because the union brought them up to the company. You say the AFA is pushing for changes for reserves? Well says who? The union? Well IT MUST BE TRUE! ! ! The same union who always tells flight attendants that they are doing all they can and to hang in there. I know reality and deal with it. I don't expect everything to change overnight. You also said that I spew hatred towards blockholders. That my friend is NOT true. I even stated in another thread to the effect that a b/h should be able to enjoy the benefits but NOT at the expense of keeping so many flight attendants on reserve. I am not an angry disgruntled employee. Don't take what you read as the tone in my voice. It is YOU who is making it out that I am. I am actually a very pleasant person to work with but know BS when I smell it thank you very much. To say that this union has not done all it can to protect the blockholder at the reserves expense is insane. If you don't agree then ask all of those around the system how they feel. I think you will find very FEW thinking as YOU do. Again, all that a blockholder enjoys is fine but it should NOT be that all these priviledges are held at the expense of making a reserves life miserable. THAT is what it is doing.

 

[Itestwell]

Quoting Travelpro72:

"I think you will find very FEW thinking as YOU do. Again, all that a blockholder enjoys is fine but it should NOT be that all these priviledges are held at the expense of making a reserves life miserable. THAT is what it is doing."

Now me:

You are probably right, many RSVs would not agree with me. This is because they would rather whine about how horrible their life is on some message board instead of getting involved and forcing change.

There were ~30 people at the meeting on 11/6, and there are how many RSVs in PHL? Were they all working on Monday? Where is the outrage?

Want to know how many of us actually voted for this contract? I won't add it here, it's too embarrassing. So the next time you are so fast to condemn the BH, remember that upwards of 90% of the reserves show time and time again that they could care less as well. Will it change when its time to vote on the new merged contract? Hopefully, but I doubt it..... 😉

And yes, if you believe that the BH's are purposely "making a reserves life miserable," then you have hatred, and are misinformed.

Would you like to have some of the benefits BHs enjoy now when you are a BH, or would you rather just have to "BID A BLOCK AND FLY IT" like you want them to do now?

 

[AstroLounge]

Support your union. Its a BH world dude, get used to it. Hopefully, you (we!) will be there someday, and we will enjoy similar benefits.
Are you serious? You must be a blockholder. While it should be a blockholder world it does not make what is happening right. It is a little hard to support my union or complain when the interest is protecting what a blockholder already has. Now again, I would like to enjoy the benefits of being a blockholder but do I need to wait this many years for it? NO the system is broken and nothing is being fixed and MANY that are blockholders without that threat of losing their block from month to month DO NOT CARE. Not all but a very, very large majority. I know what we are up against. The seniority issues here are why our system is the way it is.

Travelpro I agree! I AM a BLKHDR and agree that all the negotiating is slanted toward what suits the BLKHLDR. The union needs to represent ALL members that pay dues....otherwise the dues a reserve pays should be PRO-RATED, if you only fly 40% LTO you should only need to pay 40% of your Union Dues. Employees being on Reserve over 15 years is BULLSH*T! It is high time the Union (like most elected officials) learn to represent ALL their members.

 

[Prince of PAWOBs]

Thanks for the information. I thought the flyer was well done and most pax I saw where taking it. I was on DL, but from a distance I thought one of them was Teddy X so I walked over to say hi.

My best wishes to all involved in this effort. Like I said, "give em hell". What they have done to the employees of this airline can not be justified.

You are very welcome. I hope you got to see the "turkey" that was handing flyers out. It looked pretty funny on WPXI!

There should be some new information by Monday at the latest concerning the negotiations. The membership is advised not to "jump the gun" and take any rumors seriously until the negotiation team and the International can provide accurate information.

 

[flygirl74]

I am a reserve and was able to make it to the latest union meeting. However, a lot of my reserve friends could not make it since they had to work. Every one of them wanted to come but when your LTO is low you gotta go to work.
M.F. did say that it's not just about blockholders. I do believe it is. What was the ratio of blockholders to reserves at the meeting? When there was a show of hands it was mostly reserves there. We have had enough. The question of why LTO has been around for a couple of years with no helpful changes. The 24/7 ruling has been out 2 months, and already changes have been made to lower to 40 hours. Why not the quick response to OUR quality of life?
Answer: it does not affect them.

 

[furloughednow psa]

As mentioned above the system we have now lets an employee (blockholder) drop their trips so they can be "part time" then the more junior employee (reserve) has to live it as a career. WRONG. You say the union is working on changes to the ETB situation and reserves? Yeah that may be but what changes were addressed first? Hmmmm do tell? I'll answer it FOR YOU! ! ! ! It was all BLOCKHOLDER RELATED CHANGES! ! ! ! Thank you very much. This systm is broken beyond words. I am WELL informed and NO I couldn't go to the meetings because I was busy working someones JACKASS trip that they dropped at the last minute because they obviously couldn't commute in. Don't even go there with me.

I 100% agree with you. If you cant fly your block than you trade or drop and pick something else up. This is why the senior ones will never leave they have it made. They just come to work when they feel like it or when they can sign themselves out of shady pines.

 

[Itestwell]

I am a reserve and was able to make it to the latest union meeting. However, a lot of my reserve friends could not make it since they had to work. Every one of them wanted to come but when your LTO is low you gotta go to work.
M.F. did say that it's not just about blockholders. I do believe it is. What was the ratio of blockholders to reserves at the meeting? When there was a show of hands it was mostly reserves there. We have had enough. The question of why LTO has been around for a couple of years with no helpful changes. The 24/7 ruling has been out 2 months, and already changes have been made to lower to 40 hours. Why not the quick response to OUR quality of life?
Answer: it does not affect them.

The reason the ETB drop was lowered to 40 hours so fast was because the company immediately agreed to it. Unfortunately, the Union is trying to push thru many changes for rsvs, but the company is hesitant to implement them. I'll say it again, the UNION is meeting with the company weekly to try to change things for the rsvs in the short term...

If you were at the meeting, you will remember that MF had a list of rsv changes (short term relief) they are proposing to the company. Examples include more days off, half rsv/bh lines, etc. There were about 5 of them. I agree things are slanted towards the BH, but the union is not exactly sitting around now wondering how they can make things better for the BH, and worse for the rsv. As I said, call MECP MF and he will tell you exactly what happened in this past weeks negotiations, when they are meeting again, what the companys response was, etc.. Get the facts....

Also, all these rsvs out there who have "had it" would be strong candidates to run for the LEC office! Let your voice be heard!

 

[BajaBabe]

Sounds like you are already positioning yourself as the appointed LEC for Philadelphia. NO ONE has heard the voice of the Reserves except for TZ and MMcC irregardless of what you are being told MF got blasted by the Reserves. Please do not tell me that only a Reserve can advocate for a Reserve I have seem so much beheading done at the junior level it leaves me shaking my head. CA is in Phoenix I told her that if there is not some bone crushing tactics taken we will see the Holidays be a disaster. The company forgets that the employees of USAirways are sill treated like s...Does not matter what seniority you are at .There is no respect afforded towards one another starts with the pilots,agents,co-workers. Maybe just maybe if we all pulled together and tried to reflect on our common goals we could all turn it around.DP does not help by spewing his no cost low cost contract BS. All I can say is the king is wearing no clothes buyer beaware.

 

[PHL BULL]

I am a 9 year reserve in PHL if that makes me "jr". Also as someone else stated there is NO seniority with this reserve system. While this should be a blockholder world there is WAAAAAAAAAY TO MUCH FLEXIBILITY. Get your block and fly it. If you want to drop something fine. If it dont get dropped then happy flying. This is total BS and this whole system is held down because the priorities in the union DO IN FACT GO TOWARDS THE BLOCKHOLDER. Look at how quick changes were made for the blockholder when the 24/7 rule kicked in for reserves. What of any REAL importance has changed for the reserve? I'd say a big fat NOTHING. Company/union....blah blah...one blames the other and basically neither is any better.

9 yr RSV HAAAA sorry to let you know but yes that is jr. I have 6+ on you and yes I am jr. a 20yr F/A east is jr. in the big pix. I hold a blk but the 24/7 thing screwed me so I bid RSV...learn to work the system don't whine about the flexibilty that's one of the only things we have left in this job...thank goodness I could bid RSV and did not have to fly some crappy line...have you tryed QCK call a PT job or another FT job if you hate this great flexibility we have...be careful what you wish for...PS with your super sr. you could x-fer to hold a line...LGA.BOS...oh that would meean you have some FLEXIBILITY and you don't like that...just something to think about :huh:

 

[CV580ETOPS]

I 100% agree with you. If you cant fly your block than you trade or drop and pick something else up. This is why the senior ones will never leave they have it made. They just come to work when they feel like it or when they can sign themselves out of shady pines.

Wouldn't you be doing the same thing if you were the
"senior one" that you allude to in your post? C'mon now be honest with us.

 

[FlyGuyBWI]

RSV's take note, and elect a RSV as LECP in PHL. PHL is one big vote, and can have a huge impact on directing the priorities of the Negotiating Committee.