Thanksgiving Sick List?
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Garfield1966
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I bumped up a little. I was there on Sat and it was about 1350 or so. Not too bad.
The loads were very high and the VMC possitions wee killing us hence the reassignments. One more holiday down in the history books.
The loads were very high and the VMC possitions wee killing us hence the reassignments. One more holiday down in the history books.
So it sounds like AA was surprised that the loads were high around the Thanksgiving holiday!! How long have the people in charge been around? You said the sick calls were not too bad. Why were VM's killing you? Was AA not prepared? Were there thousands of last minute ticket purchases that then required a VM? Sounds like poor planning that once again fell on to the backs of the f/a's. We shouldn't be reassigned because of not enough manpower due to poor planning. Thanksgiving isn't new and it is planned every 12 months. Lets get a leg up on next years please.
Garfield1966
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When I said it was not too bad I was referring to the possible sick out. 1350 fa’s on sick is way way over the top. Every holiday I have been in crew skd we have run into the same problem. If you have a solution to make people come to work when they are supposed to I am sure AA would love to hear it. So far I only see you placing blame. AA has n way of predicting the loads for the end of November at the beginning of Oct so that they could be on the bid. VMC’s seq are always build the day prior. Do you have a better idea. We run into enough VMC’s being combined or busted due to loads dropping off as it is so building them a few days out would not work. Not like anyone is going to volunteer to fly during the holidays anyway. So, like I said, with all of your years of experience, what is your solution? OH, before you said hire more fa’s, don’t bother. We ran into the same problems well before 9/11 and all the lay off’s so as they say in the south, ‘that dog won’t hunt’.
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Give us our holiday pay back!Garfield1966 said:
Garfield1966
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Why? The sick list went throught the roof when you had it as well. Besides, as you said in the other thread, people cal in sick durring the holidays no mater what.
Just a FYI. I have never called in sick over a holiday as long as I have been with AA and I have never called in sick when I was not sick. I guess it's just a matter of morals and ethics.
Just a FYI. I have never called in sick over a holiday as long as I have been with AA and I have never called in sick when I was not sick. I guess it's just a matter of morals and ethics.
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Goodie for you. It's not a matter of morals or ethics. It's the difference in having a union and having to kiss AMR Management Asses to keep your job.Garfield1966 said:
Besides I have earned my "sick of AA" time. If I don't use it, I don't get paid for it!
Garfield1966
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I am always amazed at how people think they can join an organization and then just decide to make up new rules or disregard the rules and policies that were a condition of their employment in the first place.
Hotel
No one gets paid for their sick time. When you hired on you agreed to that condition (as well as a whole contract of other conditions) when you signed on to work for AA. SO, yes it is a mater of morals. You can either do what is right or what is wrong. Morality and ethics are what allow us to determine the difference between the two. What you are doing is against company policy and is grounds for termination. If you dislike or disagree with the conditions of your employment, then either seek to have them changed or seek alternate employment, but please do not sit there and try and justify your actions.
Not sure what the union statement was referring to but the fact that you are protected by a union is the only reason you are able to slack off by calling in sick and still have a job. The rest of the working world who are not protected by a union are actually held responsible for their actions.
TWAAer
Give me a break. You get a minimum of 10 days off a month if you hold a line, 11 if you are on reserve. Availability usually has 2 additional days on top of the 10. I have lost count of the number of AVBL skeds I have seen with a week or more off. With a little bit of trading you can have off all the time you want and then pick up as much time as you need to make up the lost pay. I’d be more than happy to trade you jobs if you ant to work 160 hours a month 8 hours a day 5 days a week. By the way, I have well over 15 years sonority and have not had a major holiday off yet. OH yea, if you call in sick more than 2 times in a 1 year period you will not be self managed and you damn well better have a good explanation for your boss or you could be looking at a pink slip. You want more time off? Get a desk job 9-5 weekends and holidays off. Bottom line is it’s your job. You agreed to the terms of your contract when you hired on as did I. Don’t like it? Change it or find a new one.
Hotel
No one gets paid for their sick time. When you hired on you agreed to that condition (as well as a whole contract of other conditions) when you signed on to work for AA. SO, yes it is a mater of morals. You can either do what is right or what is wrong. Morality and ethics are what allow us to determine the difference between the two. What you are doing is against company policy and is grounds for termination. If you dislike or disagree with the conditions of your employment, then either seek to have them changed or seek alternate employment, but please do not sit there and try and justify your actions.
Not sure what the union statement was referring to but the fact that you are protected by a union is the only reason you are able to slack off by calling in sick and still have a job. The rest of the working world who are not protected by a union are actually held responsible for their actions.
TWAAer
Give me a break. You get a minimum of 10 days off a month if you hold a line, 11 if you are on reserve. Availability usually has 2 additional days on top of the 10. I have lost count of the number of AVBL skeds I have seen with a week or more off. With a little bit of trading you can have off all the time you want and then pick up as much time as you need to make up the lost pay. I’d be more than happy to trade you jobs if you ant to work 160 hours a month 8 hours a day 5 days a week. By the way, I have well over 15 years sonority and have not had a major holiday off yet. OH yea, if you call in sick more than 2 times in a 1 year period you will not be self managed and you damn well better have a good explanation for your boss or you could be looking at a pink slip. You want more time off? Get a desk job 9-5 weekends and holidays off. Bottom line is it’s your job. You agreed to the terms of your contract when you hired on as did I. Don’t like it? Change it or find a new one.
Garfield1966
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Money talks and we all know what walks. The all mighty dollar rules the land.
kirkpatrick
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I don't know where you get the idea that a union can prevent someone from being fired. Union people are fired all the time, and the firings that "stick" are the ones that are done according to procedure. The only thing a union can do is insure that this procedure is followed.Garfield1966 said:
I worked in grievances with the union at TWA back in the seventies. In step one and step two in the grievance procedure the company was the prosecution, the company was the judge and the company was the jury. It wasn't until a grievance got to step three, arbitration, that anyone else had any input.
MK
This line gets me all the time. Where I work we didnt have a union until about 5 years ago. How then do you explain all the 20-30 year agents who cant do their job? How did they manage to survive without a union all this time? Its because no one in charge kept track of their screwups to get rid of them. They'd rather complain that "now that you have a union" you cant be fired. I say that supvr/management was only 5 years too late in figuring out they were a bad employee to begin with. If they really think they are a screwup, document it and be done with them, but thats too much work. :down:kirkpatrick said:
