The ULTIMATE HYPOCRACY

[delldude]

I am not aware of any significant number of people who thought WWII was not justified. After Japan wiped out Pearl people were lined up to join.

The towers were taken out by the Taliban who were based in Afghanistan and surrounding areas. Bush not only went into Afghanistan he decided to try and rebuild the country. Why he went into Iraq is a question that will likely remain unanswered till he passes away if not longer. Viet Nam and Korea were thought of as unjustifiable and remain viewed that way by most. There were no vital interests at stake other than the idea of stemming Russian expansion. Innocent Americans? They are either military or press. Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan are not exactly a tourist destinations. The military should not be there and if the press wants to send folks over there to get coverage and they can find some dumb a$$ desperate enough for a pay check.... well that's the risk they take. I still do not get those idiots who wre hiking and got picked up by the Iranians. A whole planet and they go there? I have no sympathy.

There will be phoney wars because we let our government enter them. WWII was a shared sacrifice. There was fuel rationing, victory gardens, collections for metals, companies dedicated assembly line toward war materials, war bonds...etc What did Bush do? Started two wars and gave a tax cut. Sacrifice? We are paying higher fuel prices to the countries we are trying to protect.

Like anyone would have supported a war against Iran.

Blowing up Jews is an acceptable outcome?

 

[tom barry]

I find humor in your ramblings. In war there are always deaths. WW1 and 2, Korean, Vietnam, etc.

Most thought that those were unjustifiable wars, yet people died. In Vietnam we lost over 24000 young men, in a war we claimed was unjustifiable.
But while we talk about deaths...forget the 3000 on 9/11. Forget the beheadings of innocent Americans. Lets just spew our vomit towards those we don't agree with 😛

And don't call me any of your family names @$$#013! Phony war. Yeah wake up, Mr. Coward, there were and will be more phony wars long after your gone.

If Jimmy the peanut Carter had any jewels, we wouldn' be in the Iranian pickle we're in 😛
Hahahahaha! 😛

🙂 G F Y ! 🙂

 

[signals]

🙂 G F Y ! 🙂

Why don't you show me how, girlie 😛

 

[signals]

I am not aware of any significant number of people who thought WWII was not justified. After Japan wiped out Pearl people were lined up to join.

The towers were taken out by the Taliban who were based in Afghanistan and surrounding areas. Bush not only went into Afghanistan he decided to try and rebuild the country. Why he went into Iraq is a question that will likely remain unanswered till he passes away if not longer. Viet Nam and Korea were thought of as unjustifiable and remain viewed that way by most. There were no vital interests at stake other than the idea of stemming Russian expansion. Innocent Americans? They are either military or press. Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan are not exactly a tourist destinations. The military should not be there and if the press wants to send folks over there to get coverage and they can find some dumb a$$ desperate enough for a pay check.... well that's the risk they take. I still do not get those idiots who wre hiking and got picked up by the Iranians. A whole planet and they go there? I have no sympathy.

There will be phoney wars because we let our government enter them. WWII was a shared sacrifice. There was fuel rationing, victory gardens, collections for metals, companies dedicated assembly line toward war materials, war bonds...etc What did Bush do? Started two wars and gave a tax cut. Sacrifice? We are paying higher fuel prices to the countries we are trying to protect.

Like anyone would have supported a war against Iran.

Hmmm...you don't remember too well, huh? When they held the embassy workers prisoners, we wanted the US to attack. In case you don't know, the attack at the embassy is an attack on the country. Carter opted to send in a not too prepared Delta Force that was a failure from the start.

But who am I to correct such intellect with facts.

If you think about it, you are only reading the written history of other wars. If there are peace-niks today, there were peace-niks then protesting. As time moves on, any war is going to seem justified as we write history. Eventually those who bare witness will be gone and who will know?

If you feel you live in a great country, the history will say it can do no wrong, even if in other countries history books the same may be different. But ours is true history, theirs is propaganda.

If you ain't lived it, you don't really know. I've known true heroes from Vietnam who never got any recognition. One even got the Navy Cross, which is the highest honor awarded to any one.

I wonder why you have nothing to say about Vietnam? Could it be that it started with one of the most powerful Democrat in the White House???

 

[delldude]

C'mon Sparrow.

I'm no huge fan of B O. (Hillary Guy here)
Now answer the following question plz. (I know you will)

If W kept on course hunting Bin Laden in Afganistan ONLY(As he WAS DOING), and not had the neo-cons CHENEY/Wolfowitz constantly in his "persuasive" ears, there is a High probability that 95% of our men and women Would have been OUT of Iraq and Afganistan by now, and NOT over 3000 D E A D in Iraq.

Question. Do you agree/disagree ?

No thanks to BHO.... :unsure:

US forces will stay in Afghanistan until 2024 under a deal aimed at reassuring the Afghan public, regional powers and insurgents that Washington will not abandon Kabul after most foreign troops withdraw.

My link

 

[tom barry]

You ready for HILL in 16' dell :unsure: ??????
I read that while Slick Willy is sayin' that she most likely wont run, I'm readin' that Bill is tending/keeping all the huge ($$$)...(Power) Gardens in tip-top condition !!

Hill will take a well deserved 2----21/2 year rest starting in 1/13, then her political DNA will kick-in STRONG.
The rest (as YOU well KNOW dell) will be HISTORY made yet again, no matter if it's Marco Rubio or JEB(hairy)BUSH.

She'll be taking the oath, while Bill is holding the "history book" !

(now if George Soros can just "hold-on" for another 4 1/2 years) 🙄

 

[Ms Tree]

Hmmm...you don't remember too well, huh? When they held the embassy workers prisoners, we wanted the US to attack. In case you don't know, the attack at the embassy is an attack on the country. Carter opted to send in a not too prepared Delta Force that was a failure from the start.

But who am I to correct such intellect with facts.

If you think about it, you are only reading the written history of other wars. If there are peace-niks today, there were peace-niks then protesting. As time moves on, any war is going to seem justified as we write history. Eventually those who bare witness will be gone and who will know?

If you feel you live in a great country, the history will say it can do no wrong, even if in other countries history books the same may be different. But ours is true history, theirs is propaganda.

If you ain't lived it, you don't really know. I've known true heroes from Vietnam who never got any recognition. One even got the Navy Cross, which is the highest honor awarded to any one.

I wonder why you have nothing to say about Vietnam? Could it be that it started with one of the most powerful Democrat in the White House???

An attack on a embassy is an attack on an embassy. We can choose to make it more or less at our discretion.

When you find a fact let me know.

Not sure what you are talking about. 30-40 years later Korea and Viet Nam are still seen as unjust wars.

I believe we live in a country that is quite capable of greatness and it's opposite.

I have met quite a few vets from various conflicts. Their opinions have varied greatly. Some agreed with me and some did not.

I have mentioned Viet Nam on several occasions. The war was wholly unjustified and without merit. It soiled our reputation and standing in the world. Actually it started under Eisenhower with the Military Assistance Advisor Group, escalated by Kennedy, Johnson and Nixon and then ended in 75 with our withdrawal.

 

[tom barry]

An attack on a embassy is an attack on an embassy. We can choose to make it more or less at our discretion.

When you find a fact let me know.

Not sure what you are talking about. 30-40 years later Korea and Viet Nam are still seen as unjust wars.

I believe we live in a country that is quite capable of greatness and it's opposite.

I have met quite a few vets from various conflicts. Their opinions have varied greatly. Some agreed with me and some did not.

I have mentioned Viet Nam on several occasions. The war was wholly unjustified and without merit. It soiled our reputation and standing in the world. Actually it started under Eisenhower with the Military Assistance Advisor Group, escalated by Kennedy, Johnson and Nixon and then ended in 75 with our withdrawal.

Good points "Tree" !

I'd add that our ...stellar Reputation around the World is NOT what it is "cracked up to be", thought SOME PEOPLE can't bring themselves to believe it's true !

These are the "Some People" who probably believe in Santa Claus, the Tooth FAIRY and the Easter Bunny.
They fall into my very valid description of the BLIND PATRIOTS,.........Of the Blind Patriots/Religious Fanatics Duo.

 

[xUT]

Good points "Tree" !

I'd add that our ...stellar Reputation around the World is NOT what it is "cracked up to be", thought SOME PEOPLE can't bring themselves to believe it's true !

These are the "Some People" who probably believe in Santa Claus, the Tooth FAIRY and the Easter Bunny.
They fall into my very valid description of the BLIND PATRIOTS,.........Of the Blind Patriots/Religious Fanatics Duo.

Hey Bears,
From what I see is all you do is "####/whine/moan/blame".
As you well know, I am not a great fan of war and/or the excuses of one.
(been there-done that).
You have made some previous comments similar/quoting Rev Wright, "GOD Damn America" but I gave you some slack as I know you are incapable of dialog.
What have 'YOU' done for your country besides ####?
(Please don't give me your wounded knee diatribe, never stuck the first time).
I see that and I am perplexed that anyone gives you the time of day except out of shear boredom or maybe this is the "posting to idiots" crowd.

So much for intelligent dialog.
B) xUT

 

[Ms Tree]

What are the options of 'doing something for ones country'?

 

[southwind]

Good points "Tree" !

I'd add that our ...stellar Reputation around the World is NOT what it is "cracked up to be", thought SOME PEOPLE can't bring themselves to believe it's true !

These are the "Some People" who probably believe in Santa Claus, the Tooth FAIRY and the Easter Bunny.
They fall into my very valid description of the BLIND PATRIOTS,.........Of the Blind Patriots/Religious Fanatics Duo.

Korea? Unjustified? Just look at the difference between North and South Korea. One prospers, the other is starving. I'm sure our allies in South Korea would say the war was not unjustified !

Besides, have you driven a Hyundai or seen a Korean made movie yet?

 

[Ms Tree]

I'm all for helping the little guy. Korea and Viet Nam were not fought to help the little guy. they were fought to limit Russia and China's influence. They were proxy wars. They were fought with no end game (Afghanistan and Iraq anyone?) I do not think the US should or can be the police for the world. I think what Obama did with Libya was a good move. He supplied arms and support but no boots on the ground. The people fought their own war. Win win.

I'd be willing to bet that most Korean War vets would not give a rats butt about Hyundai, Kia or any movies out of Korea.

 

[delldude]

These are the "Some People" who probably believe in Santa Claus, the Tooth FAIRY and the Easter Bunny.

What, you some kind a commie?

 

[SparrowHawk]

Korea? Unjustified? Just look at the difference between North and South Korea. One prospers, the other is starving. I'm sure our allies in South Korea would say the war was not unjustified !

Besides, have you driven a Hyundai or seen a Korean made movie yet?

Did the Congress of the United States issue a Declaration of War in:

Korea?
Vietnam?
Libya?
Iraq?
Yemen?
Afghanistan?

If the answer to the above is YES then the wars were justified on a minimum level

If the answer to the above is NO, then the wars were unjustified by any standard. One of the reasons Eisenhower was elected was to get our forces out of Korea.

As to Iraq & Afghanistan they were the first wars that were "Preemptive", Which is a polite way of saying we initiated force against two nations that had and have NEVER attacked the United States. Our response IIRC was, Hmmmm 19 Saudi National hijacked 4 planes flew three into buildings and one nose first in the ground and our response was, "Hey let's invade a few sovereign nations that non of the terrorists came from!!! YEAH that's it, that's the ticket."

That way we can be just like Hitler and his "Preemptive Wars" with Czechoslovakia. Now we fast forward to Syria and the War Mongering there. What exactly has Syria to damage the United States? NOTHING!!!

The US should not be the arbiter of another nations conduct. Syria is a Sovereign state and even sanctions can be construed as an act of War. Let them kill each other at their discretion as they have no oil or anything of value that we need. The only "Need" outstanding is for Barack Obama to get reelected. So get ready to watch our soldiers start to come home in body bags in time to get the current occupant of the White House reelected.
and others.

 

[Ms Tree]

I'm going to take the middle of the road on this one. I do not like the idea of sitting idly by as people are being slaughtered by their government. I am aware that we are not the worlds police and that we cannot not and should not save everyone.

I agree with what the US did in Egypt and Libya. In Egypt we put political pressure on Mubarak and gave support to the rebels. Mubarak was bad, whether or not he i replaced with someone better for the Egyptian people will be up to them and I think that is as it should be. It's their country and they fought for it. Same thing with Libya. We helped them out with a coalition of sorts. No US boots on the ground. No loss of US life. We gave support and the Libyans fought for their country. What they do now is up to them.

I would love for the same thing to happen in Syria but there is no coalition and I am not sure we should be giving arms and support by our selves. Assad is a SOB and I think if given the opportunity to help the Syrian people to get rid of the SOB we should do so.

Having the US be on the side of the people as opposed to the side of despots and dictators might do our image and reputation some good. I am not interested in sacrificing US lives to achieve this goal. The people have to do their own fighting, we can give them the means to do so.