The Wow it's OK to beat up cops thread

[PHXConx]

The Grand Jury has the right to see his medical records, not Glenn Quagmire. I'll bet this does not even go to trial after reading the Missouri Code.

563.046. Law enforcement officers use of force in making an arrest.
1. A law enforcement officer need not retreat or desist from efforts to effect the arrest, or from efforts to prevent the escape from custody, of a person he reasonably believes to have committed an offense because of resistance or threatened resistance of the arrestee. In addition to the use of physical force authorized under other sections of this chapter, he is, subject to the provisions of subsections 2 and 3, justified in the use of such physical force as he reasonably believes is immediately necessary to effect the arrest or to prevent the escape from custody.
2. The use of any physical force in making an arrest is not justified under this section unless the arrest is lawful or the law enforcement officer reasonably believes the arrest is lawful.
3. A law enforcement officer in effecting an arrest or in preventing an escape from custody is justified in using deadly force only
(1) When such is authorized under other sections of this chapter; or
(2) When he reasonably believes that such use of deadly force is immediately necessary to effect the arrest and also reasonably believes that the person to be arrested
(a) Has committed or attempted to commit a felony; or
(b Is attempting to escape by use of a deadly weapon; or
(c) May otherwise endanger life or inflict serious physical injury unless arrested without delay.
4. The defendant shall have the burden of injecting the issue of justification under this section.

Legal analysis
A plain reading of this 563.046(3)(2)(a) could reasonably lead to the conclusion that Wilson was authorized to use deadly force to stop Browns flight, even if Brown presented no imminent threat of death or grave bodily harm, if Wilson merely had a reasonable belief that Brown was fleeing to avoid apprehension for a recently completed felony robbery

 
 
 
it will go to trial like the last time that fergeson police department overstepped their authority only i guess they learned from past mistakes, instead of beating up a wrongly accused man, they just shot and killed this one
 
 
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/08/15/the-day-ferguson-cops-were-caught-in-a-bloody-lie.html
 

 

[PHXConx]

So the "facts" you spent the day preaching to us about yesterday turns out to be a lie. That's what happens when you get your news updates from a comedy show.
 
Now what you are saying is that were it not for the fact that Brown had just committed a felony strong armed robbery of a convenience store Officer Wilson would have been looking for him anyway? Oh my, you are thick. Do you really think Brown didn't know the police would be looking for him? From reports that I have read, Brown was about to attend a Technical school to further what little education he already had. I assume Brown knew the consequences of committing a felony and if caught would spend the next decade in prison. Do you really want people like Brown to roam your community unabated?  

 
 
what exaxctly did i say that turned out to be a lie?
 
what comedy show are you talking about?  
 
what excactly are you talking about? 

 

[PHXConx]

I don't recommend you using the line if you get pulled over. He has the right to enforce the law and use DEADLY FORCE to protect himself.

he does not have the right to wrongfully arrest someone he does not have the right to use excessive force.  if a kid hits a cop with a water balloon he doesnt have the right to shoot the kid...
 
you speak of absolutes without knowing any evidence you just assume the police are always right... thats why they are constantly being caught overstepping their authority because people like you give them the green light to do so... because you dont think that people have equal rights and you think some people are subhuman... obviously because an assumed gang banger who flashes gang signs at some point in their lives probably deserved being shot while jaywalking 

 

[PHXConx]

 
You may find Chief Ed Delmore's opinion interesting:
 
 
As civilians with no experience in law enforcement, arm chair quarterbacking of life and death events and split second decisions among officers is best left to the professionals.
 
are you talking about yourself?  i worked security in the us navy for 2 years.  including time as a deputy in the island county sherrifs department in washington state.  i worked as a deputy  for 5 years and was on the police reserve in my local town in indiana  for the same amount of time, so when you say "civilians with no experience" i can only assume you are talking about yourself
 
This bullshit of the liberal MSM looking into Wilson's life history to attempt to assassinate his character only shows the man is human like the rest of us, what is important is it appears he was able to rise above any life issues and perform his job to the best of his ability.
 
Brown phucked up.....Wilson did his job.

 
its interesting you say its bullshit of the "liberal" MSM looking into the guy that shot the kids life is not right, but looking into the VICTIMS life well thats fair game, and it gives you insights of  the mindset of the kid that got shot..
 
you sir are a hypocrite a big one...  

 

[SparrowHawk]

I don't recommend you using the line if you get pulled over. He has the right to enforce the law and use DEADLY FORCE to protect himself.

 
I KNOW my rights and as long as I film I am within those rights. I'll use whatever line I choose because the badge does not guarantee extra police rights. I've photograped cop cars illegally parked and sent them to the Chief of Police.
 
You NEVER put yourself in jeopardy, comply if you're fearful but keep the recording going for you wrongful arrest lawsuit.
 
We are fast approaching the day when the citizens will engage in Jury Nullification to bring the cops under the control of the people. Educate yourself on the Fully Informed Jury. http://fija.org/
 
I hope and pray that I get on a drug case jury as that person will NEVER spend a day in jail as I will hang the jury.
 
The road to Liberty is won one victory at a time.

 

[SparrowHawk]

I don't recommend you using the line if you get pulled over. He has the right to enforce the law and use DEADLY FORCE to protect himself.

Really?
 
http://thefreethoughtproject.com/woman-4-small-children-pulled-held-gunpoint-whoops-wrong-car/

 

[PHXConx]

If he was beaten badly, why not release the photos and medical report?

Why have no nurses or staff from the hospital come forward?

If I was his attorney, or union,they would be all over the internet. Why aren't they?

 
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/08/21/cnn-source-ferguson-officer-darren-wilson-unequivocally-did-not-suffer-eye-socket-fracture/

 

[PHXConx]

 
I KNOW my rights and as long as I film I am within those rights. I'll use whatever line I choose because the badge does not guarantee extra police rights. I've photograped cop cars illegally parked and sent them to the Chief of Police.
 
You NEVER put yourself in jeopardy, comply if you're fearful but keep the recording going for you wrongful arrest lawsuit.
 
We are fast approaching the day when the citizens will engage in Jury Nullification to bring the cops under the control of the people. Educate yourself on the Fully Informed Jury. http://fija.org/
 
I hope and pray that I get on a drug case jury as that person will NEVER spend a day in jail as I will hang the jury.
 
The road to Liberty is won one victory at a time.

Its atrocious to watch these "conservatives"  who decry daily that obama is taking their rights away, but when real people and real local government do exactly that oh well nothing to see here the police were right that gang banger sign flashing THUG(read the N Word) he deserved it...
 
RINOS are bad, but these CINO conservatives in name only are worse...  i cant say that i have never been in their shoes but when all you have to do is look at the never ending amount of video evidence on youtube about police overstepping their bounds its time real conservatives stand up for EVERYONES rights not just those people they like...  

 

[PHXConx]

Really?
 
http://thefreethoughtproject.com/woman-4-small-children-pulled-held-gunpoint-whoops-wrong-car/

did any of those "thugs" throw a gang sign... or maybe they waved at the officer?  either way they probably deserved it, 

 

[Knotbuyinit]

Everyone here witnessed the shooting in person? NO? hmmm, then you don't know a single thing in regard to what happened.
 
There is a history of targeting minorities of every flavor by the Police and that is well documented in a variety of ways.
 
A glaring example of this would be the outright murder of 3 civil rights workers by police in Philadelphia, MS. Tho black and one Jewish IIRC.
 
Not to mention the Rodney King beat down. Not to mention the Day to Day assaults on our civil liberties. 
 
People in this country have rights as this video shows.
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NiCVrYzSaxg
 
Badges Do NOT Grant Extra Rights www.copblock.org

You didn't witness the shooting either but don't let that stop you from insinuating that our law-enforcement officers across the United States engage in some nefarious or systematic and cultural attempts to violate people’s civil rights. Ironic that you mention “the day to day assault on our civil liberties” then entertain the idea that those who wear the uniform shouldn’t be afforded their civil right to defend themselves, up to and including lethal force if necessary. As the father of a State Trooper, I find your comments utterly despicable, irresponsible and offensive. What amount of credibility do you get a person who claims to be a Libertarian and defender of civil liberties in one sentence then blatantly profiles and vilifies LEOs in another.
    
Perhaps you are upset that the emerging facts are making the case a less than ideal vehicle for addressing what you view as an epidemic of cop on black violence. But if this phenomenon is so widespread, another case should come along quickly... 

 

[Dog Wonder]

But if this phenomenon is so widespread, another case should come along quickly.

It will.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRxlaHpsk8A

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJ4mR__w7HE

 

[Knotbuyinit]

Its atrocious to watch these "conservatives"  who decry daily that obama is taking their rights away, but when real people and real local government do exactly that oh well nothing to see here the police were right that gang banger sign flashing THUG(read the N Word) he deserved it...
 
RINOS are bad, but these CINO conservatives in name only are worse...  i cant say that i have never been in their shoes but when all you have to do is look at the never ending amount of video evidence on youtube about police overstepping their bounds its time real conservatives stand up for EVERYONES rights not just those people they like...  

It's equally atrocious to watch "Libertarians" like Rand Paul blame the police for their overt military appearance and their crowd-control tactics when, in fact, street violence still persisted days after police in military-style riot gear were pulled from the scene — until finally there were requests for National Guard intervention.  

 

[Knotbuyinit]

It will.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRxlaHpsk8A

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJ4mR__w7HE

You missed one. Black cop kills white man, media hide race. No riots, no looting, no federal intervention, no interruption to tee off time and no Al or Jesse. Wonder Dog why that is?   

 

[SparrowHawk]

You didn't witness the shooting either but don't let that stop you from insinuating that our law-enforcement officers across the United States engage in some nefarious or systematic and cultural attempts to violate people’s civil rights. Ironic that you mention “the day to day assault on our civil liberties” then entertain the idea that those who wear the uniform shouldn’t be afforded their civil right to defend themselves, up to and including lethal force if necessary. As the father of a State Trooper, I find your comments utterly despicable, irresponsible and offensive. What amount of credibility do you get a person who claims to be a Libertarian and defender of civil liberties in one sentence then blatantly profiles and vilifies LEOs in another.
    
Perhaps you are upset that the emerging facts are making the case a less than ideal vehicle for addressing what you view as an epidemic of cop on black violence. But if this phenomenon is so widespread, another case should come along quickly... 

Didn't insuate a thing. I provided video EVIDENCE. Frankly I don't much care about Michael Brown one way or another beyond the fact that his death has shined the light on the Jack Booted Thugs of Government who think nothing of trampling our civil liberties through inappropriate use of force, bullying and verbal abuse. Often for no other reason then to raise money for their municipality. One down is TX gets 88% of their revenue from traffic tickets and civil forfeiture. How exactly do their actions preserve Liberty?
 
Deadly force guidelines are very specific and the amusing thing is that you find the highest use of deadly force among the local forces with the least training.
 
I have a pretty close friend who is a retired NY State Trooper and we have discussed this issue at length. I told him I was literally scared to death to be stopped by local poloice. His reply of "In a lot of cases you should be". Needless to say I was stunned at that reply.

 

[SparrowHawk]

It's equally atrocious to watch "Libertarians" like Rand Paul blame the police for their overt military appearance and their crowd-control tactics when, in fact, street violence still persisted days after police in military-style riot gear were pulled from the scene — until finally there were requests for National Guard intervention.  

The police are directly responsible. Who else would be? The tooth fairy? Who fired the weapon? Jesus?
 
People need to wake up and face the facts. Local Police forces are made up of people who couldn't pass the Psychological Tests to become FBI, ATF or State Police.
 
Where I used to live, I had my house broken into and stuff stolen FIVE times. NOTHING from the REO's (Revenue Enhancement Officers). Then lo and behold these morons show up and threaten to arrest my 17yr old stepkid for playing kicjball and the ball going into a neighbors yard. I ORDERED the officer off my property and to come back with either a search warrant, arrest warrant or failing that some of my household belongings stolen from the FIVE break-in's. I also let him know if he harassed the kid I'd see him in Federal Court. See we already had one cop fired for harassing a women by writing her 14 traffic citations because she filed a complaint against him for offering to cancel the tickets in exchange for oral favors. So don't lecture me about police.
 
Oh, did I mention the DUI Cop from Lacey Twp. who ran a stop sign and killed and entire family on Rte 9?