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[delldude]

Notice the sink after takeoff during climb out? They cut to another shot.
 
Didn't see any afterburners on TO.They borrow designs from MD or Boeing?

 

[777 fixer]

They use burners on takeoff.  It's just harder to see with the camera angles they used.  They have use them with the ski ramp otherwise they would end up in the drink.  That's the Achilles heal of their system.  They have to use burner and cannot carry a full loadout of weapons and fuel.
 
The Russians provided the aircraft to the Chinese.  the wing fold mechanism is rather unique in the sense that the wings fold halfway up the span.  I can only imagine the weight and complexity issues of having it that way.  When you look at USN aircraft with a similar style like the F-18 the fold point is at the outer third.  I'm guessing they did that along with the folding horizontal stab because the SU-33 is a big aircraft but they don't have the hangar space like they do on a USN aircraft carrier.

 

[777 fixer]

They say that imitation is the best form of imitation.  I say that because I could not help but notice the striking similarity in flight deck wear and hand signals the Chinese have with the US Navy.
 
On a side note I recently read that the Chinese lost two pilots while doing CQ's.

 

[777 fixer]

Carrier ops, French style.
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwJ8sbMaVvU

 

[MCI transplant]

Air Force does it better......LOL     Dad remember this? 
 
Note, no JATO packs on TO.
 

 

Yea! No jato! But, what they're not telling you is the C130 was empty also, with min.fuel load! And this particular Aircraft was modified for this stunt. For one, it had beefed up brakes.

 

[MCI transplant]

Carrier ops, Chinese style.
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXB1D51ZU-8

Interesting!------- But did you notice one big difference between their ops,. and ours? ------- No catapults! 

 

[777 fixer]

Interesting!------- But did you notice one big difference between their ops,. and ours? ------- No catapults! 

 
The Chinese were probably in a hurry just to get a carrier out to sea.  Waiting for a catapult system to be developed by either them or the Russians would have meant an even longer wait.  
 
There is a picture of a Chinese carrier under construction with the trench meant for a catapult system.  Which mean they are well aware of the limitations of a ski jump.

 

[MCI transplant]

 
The Chinese were probably in a hurry just to get a carrier out to sea.  Waiting for a catapult system to be developed by either them or the Russians would have meant an even longer wait.  
 
There is a picture of a Chinese carrier under construction with the trench meant for a catapult system.  Which mean they are well aware of the limitations of a ski jump.

Fixer, I spent seven months working the flight deck of CVA-31, the USS Bon Homme Richard, off of the coast of North Vietnam as a Plane Capt. of a F-8E Crusader in 1965. I realize the limitations this must put on the pilots of that ship.

 

[MCI transplant]

Carrier Ops, American style: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBq_FnTg7CY#t=98  

 

[delldude]

Fixer, I spent seven months working the flight deck of CVA-31, the USS Bon Homme Richard, off of the coast of North Vietnam as a Plane Capt. of a F-8E Crusader in 1965. I realize the limitations this must put on the pilots of that ship.

 

 

[MCI transplant]

Yea, I have that patch Dell! Along with this one:     

 

[delldude]

Yea, I have that patch Dell! Along with this one:     

 
A heartfelt thanks to you, 777 Fixer and anyone else here who has served or serving. 
 
Ok for a civie to give a loud Ooo-Rah?

 

[Glenn Quagmire]

One of Dad's first deployments as a carrier pilot flying the S-2.

From Wikipedia CVS-14...The USS Ticonderoga

"Ticonderoga's winter deployment of 1965 and 1966 was her first total combat tour of duty during American involvement in the Vietnam War. During her six months in the Far East, the carrier spent a total of 116 days in air operations off the coast of Vietnam dividing her time almost evenly between "Dixie" and "Yankee Stations", the carrier operating areas off South and North Vietnam, respectively. Her air group delivered over 8,000 tons (7,200 tonnes) of ordnance in more than 10,000 combat sorties, with a loss of 16 planes, but only five pilots. For the most part, her aircraft hit enemy installations in North Vietnam and interdicted supply routes into South Vietnam, including river-borne and coastwise junk and sampan traffic as well as roads, bridges, and trucks on land. Specifically, they claimed the destruction of 35 bridges as well as numerous warehouses, barracks, trucks, boats, and railroad cars and severe damage to a major North Vietnamese thermal power plant located at Uong Bi north of Haiphong. After a stop at Sasebo, Japan, from 25 April-3 May 1966, the warship put to sea to return to the United States. On 13 May, she pulled into port at San Diego to end the deployment."

 

[MCI transplant]

One of Dad's first deployments as a carrier pilot flying the S-2.

From Wikipedia CVS-14...The USS Ticonderoga

"Ticonderoga's winter deployment of 1965 and 1966 was her first total combat tour of duty during American involvement in the Vietnam War. During her six months in the Far East, the carrier spent a total of 116 days in air operations off the coast of Vietnam dividing her time almost evenly between "Dixie" and "Yankee Stations", the carrier operating areas off South and North Vietnam, respectively. Her air group delivered over 8,000 tons (7,200 tonnes) of ordnance in more than 10,000 combat sorties, with a loss of 16 planes, but only five pilots. For the most part, her aircraft hit enemy installations in North Vietnam and interdicted supply routes into South Vietnam, including river-borne and coastwise junk and sampan traffic as well as roads, bridges, and trucks on land. Specifically, they claimed the destruction of 35 bridges as well as numerous warehouses, barracks, trucks, boats, and railroad cars and severe damage to a major North Vietnamese thermal power plant located at Uong Bi north of Haiphong. After a stop at Sasebo, Japan, from 25 April-3 May 1966, the warship put to sea to return to the United States. On 13 May, she pulled into port at San Diego to end the deployment."

 

[MCI transplant]

Notice the ships name over the "NAVY" on the side of one of our F-8's.