<_< ----There's one fact your overlooking Hackmen! TWA was delibrately taken into bankrupcy by Compton, in coloberation with Carty/aa, to spacifically get rid of Uncle Carl and Karabu! And secondly get rid of the "Scope" clauses of our Unions! How long could we have gone on without aa and Carty? At this point we'll never know will we? But at the end Compton was spending money like water! We even were given $100 bonus for on time performance up to the time he took us into bankrupcy! Does a company on the brink do that?You have no one to blame but Uncle Carl and his greed for TWA's demise and the destruction of livelihoods. AA (Carty) stupidly bought the whole defunct airline, instead of letting it continue into Chapter 7 liquidation and buying the routes it wanted. Its the main reason AA is $20 Billion in debt.
I still fail to understand how former TWA employees feel they are entitled to full seniority, when AMR Eagle employees do not receive it when they cross over to AA.
TWA's was run into the ground by Icahn and inept management, be upset with them, not AA or the unions. TWA was a bankrupt carrier going to liquidate, but AA stepped in and gave TWA employees a pay raise and jobs for a lot longer than anyone would have gotten at a TWA liquidation fire sale. Feel fortunate for once and stop crying about the intergration......its over and done with. We are way past sick of hearing about it over and over again.
That is not exactly accurate. Both TWA's 747-100s and the 747-200s required a refueling stop at SNN en route from TLV to JFK in the mid to late 90s. Those flights departed at 0100 hours, a time when the summer midday heat was not a factor that prevented the non stop flights to JFK by the 200s (the refueling stop was year round). The reason for the refueling stop for the 200s was noise abatement. The take off flight pattern path from Ben Gurion Airport was right over some very heavily populated areas. At the maximum engine thrust required for the initial climb of the fully loaded with fuel for a non stop flight to New York, TWA's ancient 747-200s could not meet the Israeli noise restrictions.
<_< ----- I agree! Looking at it today, it didn't work out as planed! I truly wish it had! If it had, I do believe we all would have been better for it! But let's not forget the 80%+ drawdown of exTWAers!!!I disagree. AA assumed a couple billion of TWA debt and leases. The TWA purchase may be responsible for perhaps 10% of AMR's total obligations, but not the "main reason" for AA's total debt.
Yeah, we all know it didn't work out so well, given our crystal clear hindsight. The 20% drawdown and the furloughs of over 20,000 AMR personnel announced later in the week of September 11 assured that the TWA acquisition would not play out as planned.
We all were hurt by 9/11! While 9/11 hurt us, it really wasn't the only reason for all the drawdowns!
Good point, and worth remembering. Perhaps if they had sold off those companies or put money into the airline instead, we wouldn't be where we are today.
I refuse to argue about TWA any longer. Its been beaten to death here over and over, for years. What CEO was best, why TWA went bankrupt for the third time in less than a decade, how long TWA would have went before liquidation, why TWA unions didn't get full seniority....and on and on. The fact is that TWA did not turn a profit since 1988, and would have liquidated if AA wouldn't have bought TWA out. So really, the aforementioned points are moot.<_< ----There's one fact your overlooking Hackmen! TWA was delibrately taken into bankrupcy by Compton, in coloberation with Carty/aa, to spacifically get rid of Uncle Carl and Karabu! And secondly get rid of the "Scope" clauses of our Unions! How long could we have gone on without aa and Carty? At this point we'll never know will we? But at the end Compton was spending money like water! We even were given $100 bonus for on time performance up to the time he took us into bankrupcy! Does a company on the brink do that?
