TWU in Philly

[767 mechanic]

Has anybody heard who the 5 organizers for the TWU were in Philly? It seems to be a well kept secret.

 

[Snafu]

While it's out there, why not publish the names of those involved in the "alleged" beatings??

 

[hp_fa]

My question is what is taking the police so long to make arrests, especially since they have video evidence, witness statements and plenty of assault damage to at least get prosecutions underway.

 

[MrAeroMan]

While it's out there, why not publish the names of those involved in the "alleged" beatings??

I suppose the victims of this CRIME are nursing "alleged" injuries where it is rumored one of the victims has lost his "alleged" eye sight in one eye. "Alleged" my arse. They deserve to be taken into a room with the door locked behind them and be greeted by 20 men and then they can see what it's like to be "allegedly" beaten. I for one would love to be part of that "alleged" greeting party.

 

[delldude]

My question is what is taking the police so long to make arrests, especially since they have video evidence, witness statements and plenty of assault damage to at least get prosecutions underway.

little problem with the video evidence......

Hotel videotape captured the men in the hotel corridors, but not what happened inside the meeting room. US Airways officials were able to identify all those on tape, police said.

all hearsay evidence w/o video....
"he hit me"..."no I didn't"..."yes you did"..."no I didn't".

surely there is evidence of physical violence...but who did it must be proven.and it'll be based on 25 accounts versus 5.
180 days to a speedy trial....no hangings this week folks,sorry to say.

and believe it or not ,there is some case law that the federal courts have nodded off on this type stuff as union activity.

 

[RowUnderDCA]

little problem with the video evidence......
all hearsay evidence w/o video....
"he hit me"..."no I didn't"..."yes you did"..."no I didn't".

...
and believe it or not ,there is some case law that the federal courts have nodded off on this type stuff as union activity.

That's conflicting direct evidence, not 'hearsay.'

and I expect the Federal court behaviour is more about restricting itself to hear the Federal issues, leaving assault, appropriately to state courts.

 

[delldude]

That's conflicting direct evidence, not 'hearsay.'

and I expect the Federal court behaviour is more about restricting itself to hear the Federal issues, leaving assault, appropriately to state courts.

w/o crediblle witness' its hearsay until proven.

Walker said the police had completed their investigation and had sent a report to the Philadelphia District Attorney's Office for a decision on whether to prosecute. The decision will also depend on whether the FBI takes over the case.

looks like the goodfellows from IAM gave fair warning....and the IAM officials will probably be exonerated by this:

Local Philadelphia IAM officials entered the hotel room and said that TWU had better close shop and leave because there was a mob which they could not control that would on their own shut TWU down.

 

[hp_fa]

w/o crediblle witness' its hearsay until proven.
looks like the goodfellows from IAM gave fair warning....and the IAM officials will probably be exonerated by this:

"Fair warning" of a physical assault is not a legal defense to committing a physical assault. A peaceful gathering, albeit to attempt to cause a workers' union to be disqualified and/or voted out, is also not a valid reason to commit a physical assault.

What do you think a jury would do, even without video tape, when it learned:

1. That there was a dispute between the unions as to future representation of workers;

2. That one of the unions rented space in a hotel to conduct lawful business to try and improve its position to win that dispute;

3. That the incumbent union took offense to that;

4. That the incumbent union had between 22-25 members gather at the hotel where the first union had rented space for its business;

5. That after some form of warning that illegal physical violence would occur by the group of 20+ against the group of four, the union renting the space chose to continue it's lawful business;

6. That a physical assault did occur and grievous physical injuries did result from that assault;

7. That the attackers, in whole or in part, were all members of the union that was opposed to the meeting; and,

8. That at least some of the attackers were signed out from their job duties on union business.

Also, is the normal business practice of the incumbent union to have it's employees paid by the employer and then the employer is reimbursed by the union for the wages that were paid the employees while not performing company business, but rather union business?

Now, just what do you think a reasonable criminal jury would do under those circumstances? What do you think a reasonable civil jury will also do under those circumstances?

 

[N924PS]

w/o crediblle witness' its hearsay until proven.
looks like the goodfellows from IAM gave fair warning....and the IAM officials will probably be exonerated by this:

Delldude:

Like the cards your avatar is holding-you're such an Ace-in-the-Whole.

I hope the law finds the truth in this matter and prosecutes the IAM criminals to the maximum extent of the law. And I hope the grievance proceedings keep these same individuals FIRED, TERMINATED, OFF THE PROPERTY FOR GOOD.

And since it sounds from all of your posts you are "just one of the boys" I hope you go soon as well.

 

[delldude]

Now, just what do you think a reasonable criminal jury would do under those circumstances? What do you think a reasonable civil jury will also do under those circumstances?

in this day and age anything goes.....

funny...theres some court findings where these type actions were catagorized as "legitimate union activities".

watch the local officials get off.the others,different story.

have a nice day 🙂

 

[barbeetantrums]

My question is what is taking the police so long to make arrests, especially since they have video evidence, witness statements and plenty of assault damage to at least get prosecutions underway.

Chief Wiggum is on the case!

 

[delldude]

Chief Wiggum is on the case!

its been reported in the news media that video only exists in the corridors and not in the room.also the police investigation was concluded and turned over to the PHL DA's office and the FBI was consulted.

 

[Awa Contract]

Dell if this is truely your attitude on this incedent then you are not the person I thought you to be. If that is the case then I wish to retract my statement that I would like to meet you some day, I do not wish to waste my time with you if that is the case. Now everyone can see why my preference is decert to IAM. There is no room for that mentality in our chosen field.


VOTE IBT / TWU

 

[barbeetantrums]

its been reported in the news media that video only exists in the corridors and not in the room.also the police investigation was concluded and turned over to the PHL DA's office and the FBI was consulted.

FBI is too busy interrogating Morissey in the UK.

Remember he sang, "How Soon is Now", now also known as the theme to Buffy the Vampire Slayer. He is so much more dangerous than IAM goons.

 

[NeedForSpeed]

also the police investigation was concluded and turned over to the PHL DA's office and the FBI was consulted.

Now, that's what I like to see!! The days of baseball bats, rocks, fists, intimidation, and sometimes firearms at the gates of coal mines, especially, are long over!! Prosecute these Thugs to the fullest extent of the law as it allows, and may they NEVER return to the employ of U, or if there were union reps involed, tossed and never allowed union affiliation forever!!

BTW dell...I'm sure the FBI was more than just "consulted"