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Ukridge

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This week past a colleague of mine with considerable cerebral powers and I were lunching. He is one who travels more than I and as he is wont to do, he turned discussion of recent travel from the mundane to the philosophical. Knowing that the European air industry is only a step or two off the pace of what is evolving in America, he attempted to draw an estimate of the future based on trends from both markets. I say his bent was philosophical because his real question was “To what end?†Meaning of course “where is all of this headed?†The real question to both of us then became whether “to what end†meant if it were possible for a large airline to ever survive and mature into a venerable institution or if market forces will constantly cull out those over a few years in age.

Taking United for example I find it interesting how shrill the press coverage has been over the past two years in describing the fall into bankruptcy. The more intellectually nimble reporters of course describe the unfortunate confluence of events both internal and external that led to this rather uncomfortable predicament. Yet there is also the chorus of hired hands whose prose is not only shrill, but also laden with invective and ill-will toward your esteemed institution. Socrates of course maintained that opinions had little value when compared to wisdom but yet these reporters opined anyway and added little more than sensationalism to the discourse.

Yet, couched deep within their reporting (and even within the plaintive and mournful bleatings of the increasingly divisive prose of Chip from which we know no surcease) is a question that is quite germane and ties in nicely with the thoughts of my colleague. The rise of the only partially correctly named ‘low cost carriers’ has been hailed as the singularly most important event to sweep the air travel industry. The reporter’s stance has been that the beleaguered ‘legacy’ carriers will continue to remain under assault as the LCCs march unimpeded into market after market. Their success has been christened as a birthright and the legacy carriers have been awarded the status of an endangered species.

Now, after this rather somnifacient introduction I ask two simple questions:
1. Why does the press constantly trumpet all benefits of the LCCs based solely on cost? Would it not be also true that with time as the legacy carriers make needed adjustment that it would be the legacies who hold the advantage? Though I am not familiar with AirTran or JetBlue, why would their limited route structure be able to outpace a new and reinvigorated United? Would not United’s long reach, its Star Alliance association, and potential overwhelming economies of scale in the end tip the scale in its favour? Basically what we discussed at lunch was why has the business press and Wall Street enthroned the LCCs as the rightful heir to the industry without weighing the advantages and disadvantages of each? Maybe I am blind to the advantages of the LCCs because my flying involves the Star across the water and into the major cities. Are not the legacy carriers able to marshal other resources to carry to the fight? Is cost simply the only issue? Yes, price is regent for the customer, but I am not yet assured of the inseparability of cost and price when other factors are present.
2. The second question touches on the original “to what end?†With the rapid proliferation of LCCs, how long then before even these markets become saturated? What happens when the JetBlues and Southwests mature? Will there simply not be a culling out of the LCCs where a few remain and of course immediately raise their prices? This of course would only start the cycle anew as the upstarts become saddled with the cost structures of a maturing company. I would believe that there would be a limit of market penetration that can be gained by both the small jets and the LCCs. The determination of this point is worthy of discussion.

Knowing that Socrates little valued opinion, I will take my first try on this board of stating mine. I would believe that once the larger legacy carriers trimmed the fat from the corpus of the airline (which I note United is doing smartly in their BK proceedings) that they should be more than a match for some, but perhaps not all, of the LCCs. I opine that they should be able to compete with cost being only one factor in a larger equation. In other words, what they cannot match exactly on a CASM basis may be made up in other areas. In sport, two top teams on the pitch need to be acutely aware of their own advantages and disadvantages and leverage them as best they can. United may not be able to match JetBlues CASM, but is there not another advantage that they can adroitly employ to compete?

Second, I will have to give Chip half-mark credit for his observation about transformation and consolidation. I only give half-mark however, because though I believe he is looking in the correct direction, his ken is not yet far enough afield. He seems to be myopically focused on his localized Airways-United theories and is missing the broader ramifications of the Star. The true economies of scale will come when the alliances start acting like cartels in their purchasing power and not like the loose federations that characterize their actions at present. There have been both rumours and reports of the Star making bulk purchases of aircraft and other supplies. This is where the significant savings should be gained. Frankly I am shocked that it has taken Star so long to move in this direction. I liken this to a large battleship. It takes a long time to turn in the water, but when the guns are finally brought to bear the result is impressive. This, in the ever so humble opinion of Ukridge is where the true advantage over the LCCs may finally be found. If United can gain cost advantages through the Star (i.e. purchase of Airbus aircraft, fuel in bulk, airport services – the list is almost endless) then it will be able to fight these assaults. Let us see if those who make the decisions are so inclined to work in this manner.
Cheers
 
UKRidge,

Good missive regarding an often misunderstood and much overlooked part of the equation regarding the strength's of the so-called "legacy" carriers. I'll add that many also fail to factor in the advantages of these carriers unique "revenue streams" in comparison to the LCC's and some other legacy carriers themselves.

A case in point are the positions held by UAL and AMR, along with BA and Virgin at Heathrow. Add to this UAL's huge presence in the Pacific/Asia and one can begin to see huge advantages to such carriers in terms of all-but guaranteed revenue down the road. When added to the economies of scale savings sure to accrue from membership in alliances, the power of these "battleships" will be surely be felt when they finally train their guns on the competition across the board, not just in the domestic market.

Cheers,

Z B)
 
The press? You're English and you don't understand the shortcomings of press reporting?

The American press is no better than Fleet Street, just less liberated.

The LCC lovefest is driven by two factors:

1. JetBlue is based in NYC. It is, therefore, the "hometown" airline of the largest media market in the world.

2. NYC is also the home to the largest financial center in the world. By getting an intial sweetheart deal with Airbus for low to no cost intial leases and by paying non-union wages (67% for pilots) they've generated large intial profits. They're the Wall Street darlings and, by extension, the NYC media darlings.

Your view is correct in the long term. If and until JetBlue can build a substantial route structure with all the encumbrances that entails (gates, infrastructure, etc.) the comparison between that LCC and the legacy carriers is irrelevent.

Now, SWA is a different animal completely. They're a unionized carrier and pay comparable wages. They have a fully developed route system. They have to pay comparable lease/maintenance rates. However, they're strictly domestic in nature.

Have you noticed the American press hasn't quite give SWA the recognition they have JetBlue? See reason #1. However, the coverage is reminiscent of the press accorded to PeoplExpress, another LCC attempt that was successful for a short time. Considering JetBlue has opted to base itself in a slot controlled airport on both coasts does not bode well for their longterm survival.

Additionally, their retreat in the face of Delta's response to their establishment of service in Atlanta reflects equally poorly on their management ability. JetBlue has done well in the first 3 years, make no mistake. But their CEO has a history of starting up airlines, taking huge personal profits and bailing out. That historical timeframe is just around the corner.
 
How many LCCs receive perks from airports or counties or states to come to airports where they wouldn't normally come?

How can a legacy carrier possibly compete with such perks?

If the LCCs get reduced landing fees or gate fees, of course they are going to price other carriers out of certain markets.

Some LCCs get free advertising from the airport they serve.

Of course these perks are paid for by local taxpayers to entice and hang onto LCCs.

I say...let's level the playing field and see what happens then.
 
Ukridge said:
I would believe that once the larger legacy carriers trimmed the fat from the corpus of the airline (which I note United is doing smartly in their BK proceedings) that they should be more than a match for some, but perhaps not all, of the LCCs.
UK

I would opine that closing two major maintenance facilities and furlouging about 50% of your Mechanics while not eliminating one single management position is a far cry from "trimming the fat" (more like "cutting the meat")

United's major problem is, and has always been, too many managers with too many ideas.
 
Ukridge said:
1. Why does the press constantly trumpet all benefits of the LCCs based solely on cost?
There is a very simple answer to this; nonetheless it's accurate, although perhaps not complete: the press and the public they pander to are desperately hoping that all the frenetic coverage - which amounts to free advertising, of course - will become a self-fulfilling prophesy.

Why? Because air travel is a right, of course. At least in the US it's perceived to be. Actually, to clarify - CHEAP air travel is a right. Never mind the legacy carriers that invested so much in creating the infrastructure - the very markets - that the commodity carriers now cater to - it's time for them to go, as they can't always offer a transcon fare that costs less than a trip to WalMart.

Of course, this glamorous portrayal of the commodity carrier messiahs ignores one very inconvenient ramification of this sea change: air travel is officially mass transit, and this will continue to be more obvious every day.

That's ironic, of course, because "jam packed" planes and the other effects of high load factors made for popular talking points during the countless missives directed at governmental and other regulatory bodies during the "passengers rights" craze of 1999/2000 - a campaign singularly aimed at the legacy carriers.

Except in cases when a consumer is spending someone else's money (ie business travel) price is king - trumping food service, comfort and, yes, sometimes even safety concerns. And, mainstream business travel has obviously been reigned in from its unbridled hedonism of the 1990s.

The message to the reporters and their clients who gleefully cheer headlines announcing the weedlike growth of the likes of B6 and WN while cheering even more boisterously at every slip by UA and AA should be careful what they wish for...
 
Orwell-

Some excellent insights in your post. The political culture in the US creates several cross-currents of entitlement that help maintain the instability in the airline industry. You've identified a couple that sometimes go overlooked.

1) the presumed right to a low air fare from East Nowhere to Moscow.

2) the presumtion that those that paid for the infrastructure have no more right to it then any johnny-come lately. However, I will point out that the Federal taxpayer pays for a lot of the infrastructure, so they do have a seat at the table of divvying-up the resource, once it becomes constrained.

3) the idea that balance can be acheived by veering violently from one extreme policy to the other. (from kill the airlines to save the airlines)

Go figure. Makes for a good soap opera, but not for a stable industry.
 
Zman777 - Although as a consumer (albeit indirectly through the firm) I do not wish exorbitant cartel prices from the air carriers, I agree that the strength of the alliances may be the only way out of the morass. When the alliances can deal with suppliers from a position of leverage and strength they will be able to impose a more reasonable structure of pricing. The question of course is then just how this leverage will be formed and exercised within the discipline of the market and under the watchful eye of regulatory agencies. As I mentioned, I am frankly stunned that the Star has not already made a play toward the "large battleship" approach instead of many small vessels. I may be wrong in my amateur assesment but I think the alliances will soon have to show their power.

Fubijaakr - Whilst one may not always agree with the editorial pages of the FT, WSJ, Handlesblatt, and the Economist, these newspapers do not have a track record of disreputable reporting. I do not rally to their defense other to say that what they report is not always incorrect. I do not hold other publications in such esteem and on this we are in agreement. In fact as pertains to such vulgarians as Mr. Murdoch I will not waste words pretending that he is anything other than a businessman and certainly not one who ponders the finer points of the journalistic craft.

Orwell - I am shocked! Taxpayer money in the U.S. going toward a specific industry??? That smacks of smelly socialism :shock: Pretty soon one will start to compare this with Old World Europe! Seriously, I can only ask what happens when the bloom is off the rose with JetBlue? I agree with that there seems to be a great deal of irrationality in the market. It costs a certain price to fly from A to B. This is immutable and I think the press has done everyone a great and grevious disservice by not reporting that the better mousetrap has not yet been invented even though everyone thinks that JetBlue is the embodiment of this elusive goal. The question is what would JetBlue charge if there were no legacy carriers left?

Cheers
 
Fubijaakr said:
The press? You're English and you don't understand the shortcomings of press reporting?

The American press is no better than Fleet Street, just less liberated.

The LCC lovefest is driven by two factors:

1. JetBlue is based in NYC. It is, therefore, the "hometown" airline of the largest media market in the world.

2. NYC is also the home to the largest financial center in the world. By getting an intial sweetheart deal with Airbus for low to no cost intial leases and by paying non-union wages (67% for pilots) they've generated large intial profits. They're the Wall Street darlings and, by extension, the NYC media darlings.

Your view is correct in the long term. If and until JetBlue can build a substantial route structure with all the encumbrances that entails (gates, infrastructure, etc.) the comparison between that LCC and the legacy carriers is irrelevent.

Now, SWA is a different animal completely. They're a unionized carrier and pay comparable wages. They have a fully developed route system. They have to pay comparable lease/maintenance rates. However, they're strictly domestic in nature.

Have you noticed the American press hasn't quite give SWA the recognition they have JetBlue? See reason #1. However, the coverage is reminiscent of the press accorded to PeoplExpress, another LCC attempt that was successful for a short time. Considering JetBlue has opted to base itself in a slot controlled airport on both coasts does not bode well for their longterm survival.

Additionally, their retreat in the face of Delta's response to their establishment of service in Atlanta reflects equally poorly on their management ability. JetBlue has done well in the first 3 years, make no mistake. But their CEO has a history of starting up airlines, taking huge personal profits and bailing out. That historical timeframe is just around the corner.
Very well said.
 
jetBlue pays "industry normal" lease rates, all the info is publicly available.

Pay is higher than a quite a few unionized carriers.

At this point in time, while nothing is certain, jetBlue has far surpassed PE in earnings.
 
UKRidge, do you happen to know how much, more or less, pilots, flight attendants, mechanics, agents, etc. make working for BA? Virgin, BM? How are their benefits and work rules like, such as vacation, hours of work per month, time off, etc. The UK is in many ways more expensive to live then the US and I am curious about their compensation package.
 
Here is a pay comparison from AA pilots:

http://www.apapdp.org/pay.comparison.php

As can be seen, jetBlue compensation is well in line, particularly if one includes profit sharing, which has been doin quite well. (Of note, is the fact, that CA pay is 12th year, jetBlue has been around for 4 and the payscale for jetBlue only goes to 8th year)

Curious thought though, when pay is discussed, it is not the cost of the pilot that drags down the bottom line, yet when it comes to jetBlue, it is the "lower cost" pilots that makes for profit. So which is it? Or could it be, that jetBlue presently operates their fixed cost assets, airplanes, more efficiently. Currently a utilization around 13 hrs a day. That coupled with the fact, that there are less employees per airplane, again which makes for a more efficient operation.

Hopefully, and time will tell, the comparison with PE will end!
 
It means that jetBlue is profitable and has been so for quite a while. PE, while getting lots of buzz, financially was not so stellar a performer.
 
Diesel8 said:
As can be seen, jetBlue compensation is well in line, particularly if one includes profit sharing, which has been doin quite well. (Of note, is the fact, that CA pay is 12th year, jetBlue has been around for 4 and the payscale for jetBlue only goes to 8th year)
That comparison does not include benefits. If benefits were factored in, JB would do significantly worse in spite of profit sharing.
 

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